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describes the V-22 Aerial Refueling System etc.:
Navy Not Following Marines’ Lead in Developing V-22 Osprey Tanker

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Just further proof that the Marines are focused on Aviation, and the Navy is focused on Naval vessels. No doubt what-so-ever that if the Navy could get by without pilots, and go UAVs they would?? LOL

IMHO the Osprey is a very sophisticated/expensive aircraft for the COD/Tanking mission, the COD has always been a flying truck?
 

Scratch

Captain
an interesting view (vid dated May 5) of those HUGE rotors:

That put a question in my mind and got me thinking. So I checked some numbers. Those rotors look huge for somehthing that looks like a fixed wing airplane. But once you look at it as a helicopter, they are in fact pretty small. Below are three charts to illustrate this.
First is weight / disc area (kg/m²), essentially the wing loading of a rotary wing, at 80%MTOW.
Second is the power / disc area (kW/m²), perhaps the power density in the rotor disc.
And finally, the power to weight ration (kW/kg) at 80%MTOW.
On the conventional Helos, the new CH-53K also carries a lot of weight with what is has available. While the twin rotor designs, CH-46 and -47 have a lot of area available.

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Jeff Head

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Defense Talk said:
The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Japan for V-22B Block C Osprey aircraft and associated equipment, parts and logistical support for an estimated cost of $3 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

The Government of Japan has requested a possible sale of the following:

17 x V-22B Block C Osprey aircraft,
40 x AE1107C Rolls Royce Engines,
40 x AN/AAQ-27 Forward Looking InfraRed Radars,
40 x AN/AAR-47 Missile Warning Systems,
40 x AN/APR-39 Radar Warning Receivers,
40 x AN/ALE-47 Countermeasure Dispenser Systems,
40 x AN/APX-123 Identification Friend or Foe Systems,
40 x AN/APN-194 Radar Altimeters,
40 x AN/ARN-147 VHF Omni-directional Range (VOR) Instrument Landing System (ILS)
40 x 629F-23 Multi-Band Radios (Non-COMSEC),
40 x AN/ASN-163 Miniature Airborne Global Positioning System (GPS) Receivers (MAGR),
40 x AN/ARN-153 Tactical Airborne Navigation Systems, 80 Night Vision Goggles,
- Joint Mission Planning System (JMPS) with unique planning components,
- Publications and technical documentation,
- Aircraft spares and repair parts, R
- Repair and return, aircraft ferry services,
- Tanker support,
- Support and test equipment,
- Personnel training and training equipment,
- Software,
- U.S. Government and contractor engineering,
- Logistics and technical support services,
- Other elements of technical and program support.

The estimated cost is $3 billion.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States. Japan is one of the major political and economic powers in East Asia and the Western Pacific and a key partner of the United States in ensuring peace and stability in that region. It is vital to the U.S. national interest to assist Japan in developing and maintaining a strong and ready self-defense capability. This proposed sale is consistent with U.S. objectives and the 1960 Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security.

Japan is modernizing its transport fleet to better support its defense and special mission needs. The proposed sale of V-22B Block C Osprey aircraft will greatly enhance the Japan Ground Self-Defense Force’s humanitarian and disaster relief capabilities and support amphibious operations. This sale will promote burden sharing with our ally and interoperability with U.S. forces. Japan will have no difficulty absorbing these aircraft into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this weapon system will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The principal contractors will be Bell Helicopter and Boeing Rotorcraft Systems via a joint venture arrangement with initial assembly of aircraft fuselage occurring in Ridley Park, PA and final aircraft assembly occurring in Amarillo, TX. There are no known offset agreements in connection with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale will require travel of United States Government or contractor representatives to GOJ on a temporary basis for program technical support and management oversight.

The details of this lets people know why sometimes a few aircraft can cost so much on the bottom line. All of the additional parts, sensors, systems, software, services, etc. can add up.

But the JMSDF is intent on outfitting these aircraft with the best systems, the best training, the best documentation, software, and services available.

 
That put a question in my mind and got me thinking. So I checked some numbers.

thanks for having read my post :)

Those rotors look huge for somehthing that looks like a fixed wing airplane. But once you look at it as a helicopter, they are in fact pretty small. Below are ...

I looked at your charts and can one summarize them by saying the V-22 is a
big-rotor-aircraft-small-rotor-helicopter
maybe? :)
 

Jeff Head

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... for the total price of about $176m per copy
No...that is not the case.

A HUGE part of that pricing is all of the spare parts and other niceties I listyed.

That's like saying that a car you purchased for 25,000, then went on to get race driver training, additional sets of racing tires, an additional engine or two just in case, and other equipment and add-ons actually meant that the car cost 45,000

But the car itself did not cost that. The additional price is for all of the other things.

That's why I listed them out as I did and made the comment I made....to educate that the thing most people do when simply dividing the total cost of the contract by the number of aircraft is NOT an accurate reflection of he cost of the aircraft.

It is the cost of the entire contract.
 
No...that is not the case.

...

Jeff I both agree and disagree :) I mean I of course agree with
... dividing the total cost of the contract by the number of aircraft is NOT an accurate reflection of the cost of the aircraft.
but as a pub expert LOL I'm asked from time to time the question: "Tell us what's the price of: ..." and when I try to warn people that it depends on ... and try talking about the economy of scale or something, I'm asked exactly the same question again ... and then, if I happened to know the contract cost, I'd just divide it by the number of weapons procured.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
TE got Secret footage of AFB taking his new CV22 for a joy ride and getting a top off in the skies...

well not really.
Published on May 5, 2015
A CV-22 Osprey in support of Emerald Warrior 2015 performs tilt-rotor air to air refueling with 15th Special Operations Squadron crew members.
 
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