US F/A-XX and F-X 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread

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  1. Air Force Brat
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    Thank you Mr. Anzha for your thoughted and very nice response, that was CNO Richardson, he gone! yep, the Navy is very gun shy, they probably wouldn't even be rolling the F-35C out if they didn't feel lots of pressure from above, and below... they love the F-18, they don't want to get into the high end F-35 maintenance world, its very expensive as you noted, and there is a vastly diminishing pool of talent for maintainers....

    First you've got to build a pool, then you've got to get them to "jump in", I'm extremely hopeful that the Navy will "see" the absolute necessity of "upping their game", but I remind you it was Army Air Corp B-25's that Dolittle's Raider's flew off the Hornet, now that my friend is "projecting airpower"....

    The 4 Gen is game over when it comes to serious business downtown, only 5 gen currently offers you a ride in, annnnd a ride back...

    The most important tidbit here is that politicians don't need "choices", they need "direction"!

    and thank indeed for your opinion, you're at the top of the class, and I'm very grateful that you spend your time and considerable talent here, thanks Bub!
     
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    The different funding levels to-date and future periods between the services do not necessarily project what type of technology they are pursuing relative to a F-X/FA-XX. I don't think it is sound to argue that the level of intended technology pursuance is necessarily connected to present funding. Over the years, there had been various interest pertaining to spectrum domination; all aspect stealth; thermal management; lasers; adaptive engines and UAS teaming. Until the AOA is released, we just do not know.

    I agree that we have to wait at least until the AOA is released.
     
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    I have to strongly disagree with this. Both "fighters" are supposed to be IOCing around 2030. If the navy is not willing to spend the money, they are not going to get the same capabilities. This is doubly so since a carrier based aircraft is a tougher problem, physically, and more money must be spent on that unlike a land based aircraft. After all, we used to say, money walks and bullshit talks.

    We will await the AOA. if it's declassified.
     
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    ... I was intrigued; did you perhaps mean 2012
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    Top U.S. admiral questions need for stealth technology like that used in F-35 http://www.vancouversun.com/admiral...+technology+like+that+used/6919085/story.html
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    sorry if you didn't (this link leads to the USNI Proceedings which I can't access)

    anyway it's interesting the USN didn't get rid of the F-35C after all this
     
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    I've told you there is an underlying culture against 5 Gen aircraft, and a stem of thought against L/O... this thinking is deeply rooted among many in the Navy and is the direct causative factor in "slo-rolling" the F-35C.

    If the Marines weren't leading the charge on the B model it would be in the same shape, but thankfully the Marines see the big picture in 5 Gen, they are not distracted with the 1000 other things the Navy has to fold into their equation..

    Navy=Ships, Marines=Airplanes, its really as simple as that.....

    So a 5 gen aircraft is a bunch of money, a bunch, maintaining it is a 3 ring circus, all worth it, but hard to wrap your mind around it when you have a Navy to keep afloat... just saying....
     
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    There was another more recent commentary along those lines, too. I thought it was around 2016.

    As AFB has noted, the Navy has been less than happy with the idea of 5th gen aircraft for a while, at least since the start of the F-35 program. They seemed to be fine with the idea back with the A-12 and AF-X days, but when forced to use the F-35...well...

    When combined with the reaction to UCLASS and other unmanned platforms on the carrier deck, it feels like the airdales have developed a very powerful conservatism. Which is disappointing and probably dangerous.

    We'll see.
     
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    I trust you meant

    "... Let's face it, if something moves fast through the air, disrupts molecules and puts out heat — I don't care how cool the engine can be, it's going to be detectable. You get my point."

    then-CNO inside
    Analysts: Navy brass view F-35C's stealth as overrated
    February 9, 2015 https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...navy-brass-view-f-35c-s-stealth-as-overrated/
     
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    that is undeniable however they ability to detect such has limits based on atmospheric conditions, orientation, relative altitudes, humidity and more.
    It maybe detectable but does it get detected?
     
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    IRST has a much shorter range and limited field of view compared to a radar and detecting an IR signal doesn't necessarily mean you can track or engage it.
     
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    Range is still the biggest issue field of view is starting to shift. F35 for sure has a EODAS and Raptors And J20 have potential for them. These are IR spectrum sensors placed around the fuselage offering 360• IRST coverage via the helmets display.
     
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