US F/A-XX and F-X 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread

TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Equation said:
You mean like some kind of High-G 'juice' injection like in the T.V. series "The Expanse"?

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I can see it for future fighter-bomber types that can go up to near space, but not on fighter frame due to the large life support and technology needed inside the space of the aircraft.
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Not to mention that the first of the sixth gens will demo a decade from now with production around the 15 year mark. so near term future tech not long term.
 
kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Air Force Brat said:
Why build an airframe that can take more than 9Gs, the B-21 is going to be a lot less robust, so the man is not necessarily the weakest link, modern combat aircraft have taken a very definitive step away from WVR combat, and in fact with the HMS and high off-bore sight missiles, there's far less reason to subject your airframe or your pilot to those forces unless absolutely unavoidable. The F-18 is certainly not a "balls to the wall" high G fighter is it, but the F-35 with the safety's off the FCS was pushed to 9.9Gs, and that makes it a hellaciously strong airplane.

As Jura notes those S-400s will be proliferating all over the SCS on every little spit of land if we don't step up now and say NO! That and that alone is reason enough for our partners to step up to the F-35. Whats scary Jura is looking at the Malaysian airliners that the "REBELS" took out in eastern Ukraine, now that gives me "chills".....

So the sixth gen must be up and ready when the next iteration of those AA become operational, because unless you are ready to deal with that first, you're done for. So these sixth gen birds absolutely must be stealthy, and must have a robust "first day" capability up front, or they are completely irrelevant.
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You're thinking wvr dogfight. I'm thinking out maneuvering an incoming bogey. A fighter that can turn 20, 30Gs stands an exponentially better chance of escaping or breaking a missile lock.

Stealth, Plasma actuators, chaffs, ECM etc are all obviously good countermeasures but at the end of the day the best way to not get destroyed is to physically outmaneuver and bleed out the missile. Current manned fighters can't do that effectively I but imagined future unmanned fighters can and will exploit this new advantage.
 
Air Force Brat

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
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kwaigonegin said:
You're thinking wvr dogfight. I'm thinking out maneuvering an incoming bogey. A fighter that can turn 20, 30Gs stands an exponentially better chance of escaping or breaking a missile lock.

Stealth, Plasma actuators, chaffs, ECM etc are all obviously good countermeasures but at the end of the day the best way to not get destroyed is to physically outmaneuver and bleed out the missile. Current manned fighters can't do that effectively I but imagined future unmanned fighters can and will exploit this new advantage.
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No doubt along with unmanned aircraft carriers, with no Captain or Crew, no need for a chow hall or a head, able to submerge right off the coast and cruise at 45knots or so unobserved, and then pop up, deploy aircraft, submerge and get lost, only to pop up later and recover the aircraft, submerge and allow the ships robotics to re-arm and service those aircraft,,,, WOW! I'm beginning to see it now, Amazing!

It could attack anywhere in the world, depending on who was punching the buttons??
 
SamuraiBlue

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Equation said:
You mean like some kind of High-G 'juice' injection like in the T.V. series "The Expanse"?

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I can see it for future fighter-bomber types that can go up to near space, but not on fighter frame due to the large life support and technology needed inside the space of the aircraft.
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I only whisked through it so I maybe missing some details but I think it's based on different principle.
My concept is more like magneto levitating a human. In experiments I have seen a living frog being levitated by magnetism.
You don't have to levitate a human in mid-air, just apply enough energy to counter act the force of inertia.
Since inertia is same as gravity you just need to reduce the acceleration rate to reduce the amount of G force. It will not block inertia completely but as long as acceleration rate is reduce to the water within the body the whole body will feel the reduction.
 
kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Air Force Brat said:
No doubt along with unmanned aircraft carriers, with no Captain or Crew, no need for a chow hall or a head, able to submerge right off the coast and cruise at 45knots or so unobserved, and then pop up, deploy aircraft, submerge and get lost, only to pop up later and recover the aircraft, submerge and allow the ships robotics to re-arm and service those aircraft,,,, WOW! I'm beginning to see it now, Amazing!

It could attack anywhere in the world, depending on who was punching the buttons??
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I see your sarcasm Brutha however an unmanned AC is still in the realm of sci fi shows but unmanned fighter is more of a reality in the not so distant future.
 
Air Force Brat

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
kwaigonegin said:
I see your sarcasm Brutha however an unmanned AC is still in the realm of sci fi shows but unmanned fighter is more of a reality in the not so distant future.
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Not sarcasm at all brother, just following the brothers to their logical conclusion?? Who needs people right,,, actually it will be a long time before AI is able to replicate humanity? and the truth is they never will,,,, but man is traveling head long down a pathway of self loathing to "what"?? nothing
 
TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Air Combat Commander hints at rapid acquisition for Penetrating Counterair

  • 29 MARCH, 2017
  • SOURCE: FLIGHTGLOBAL.COM
  • BY: LEIGH GIANGRECO
  • WASHINGTON DC


The US Air Force could field its Penetrating Counterair platform on a fast track, according to the service’s head of Air Combat Command.

The USAF will likely purchase its sixth-generation aircraft in batches and add capabilities along the way, rather than wait for years for an exquisite platform, Gen Mike Holmes told reporters 29 March. The service is already working with Congress to figure out what authorities would allow the air force to field a prototype and complete a fly-off, instead of a longer engineering, manufacturing and development process, Holmes says.

“If we did it the way we bought the F-22 and the F-35, it would still be 25 years away and I just don’t want to wait that long,” Holmes says. “That’s why we’re talking about doing a different acquisition model where we’ll buy probably more than 100, but some number of a version and see how those do and see what’s available and see if we want to add something in the next round.”

Holmes referenced the F-35 almost as a cautionary tale in acquisition, saying PCA will be developed in phases rather than spending 30 years in development. The USAF will examine which technology is “good enough” to field on the first PCA and then update the aircraft three or four years later, he says. The USAF has an ongoing analysis of alternatives for PCA, which will help determine whether a laser weapon will be ready for the aircraft's initial fielding in the 2030s.

The AOA is slated to complete in 2018 and will recommend requirements and what capabilities have reached the right technological maturity, Holmes says. The USAF will make a decision on which technologies buy their way onto the aircraft within the next three years, he adds.

The USAF has previously hinted it would field PCA using a rapid acquisition process, or at least add next-generation capabilities in a later iteration in order to field the aircraft more quickly. In an interview last year, the team lead for the USAF’s 2030 air superiority study told FlightGlobal that PCA would not wait for mature, high energy airborne lasers to debut. Instead, the USAF could load smaller, improved missiles onto the aircraft or design the platform to carry more missiles, Brig. Gen. Alexus Grynkewich said.

Along with directed energy laser weapons, Holmes says a three-stream engine might not be ready for the first round of PCA.

“So we might accept a little less range,” he says. “We might accept going with a legacy engine like the engine that’s flying in the F-22 or something like that and then in the next batch, integrate that new engine.”
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Translation, the faster these are on the Tarmacs and in the air the harder it is for Congress to slash the numbers!
 
TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Jura said:
I read it, wonder if they'll be sending F-35s from Fort Worth, TX factory right to
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then?
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nope. the name they chose says it all Penetrating Counterair. IE Stealthy Air dominance and even if they accelerate it it's still late 2020's F35 is soon to mid 2030's as is. And as thise keeps going part of me is more and more thinking F22 Reprocured and upgraded to C model as the PCA, F35 updated to D, E and F models with the Navy getting a new F/Axx to replace the Super advanced Mega Ultra (Boeing's marketing department needs this as they are running out of Verbs) Hornet.
 
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