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Obi Wan Russell

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here I have a question: when/which AShM will be integrated on the UK F-35Bs?


and here just this (dated 08 July, 2016):
RAF hints that UK could still opt for mixed F-35 fleet
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For the first few years of service only US weapons will be integrated onto the F-35B as a cost saving measure in order to achieve IOC without any delays. In the RN anti shipping strike is primarily the province of SSNs first and ship based SSMs second, with helicopter launched AShMs third (mostly for smaller vessels e.g. FACs and patrol boats). Don't expect anything to happen regards AShMs on the Lightning until the mid 2020s at the earliest, as the aircraft are primarily envisaged as providing strike against land targets and against Airborne threats. The same is true of the RAF's new P-8 Poseidon MPA's they will initially only use the same weapons as USN aircraft with UK weapons integrated several years down the line.

I did say some in the RAF and their 'supporters' were dropping hints about a split buy, they've been doing that for years and haven't gotten anywhere. As I said although the A model is a bit cheaper, overall the economic argument is against such a move.
 
For the first few years of service only US weapons will be integrated onto the F-35B ...
only now I realized I could've asked a better question: when/which AShM will be integrated on ANY F-35B?

I did say some in the RAF and their 'supporters' were dropping hints about a split buy, they've been doing that for years and haven't gotten anywhere. As I said although the A model is a bit cheaper, overall the economic argument is against such a move.
it'll be interesting to watch at what price(s) the UK actually buys (two billion dollars already invested according to
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in the end of the paragraph named Background)
 

Obi Wan Russell

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An interesting point regarding the economics of the F-35 for the UK, we are the only Tier 1 partner in the project, with a roughly 10% stake in it. The total buy projected for all customers is currently around the 3000 mark give or take. 10% of that would be around 300 aircraft, that's the value we are expecting to reap from the project, and yet we are only buying 138. So this aircraft will pay for itself twice over! ;)o_O:cool:
 

Jeff Head

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There are people out there who are still denying the F-35 will ever fly in combat. Doesn't make them right.
Amen...and aint it the truth.

Despite what their eyes see to the contrary.

The Marines, in common with most countries armed forces, have a 'can do' attitude and will find ways to make their plans work rather than give up at the first hurdle. I noticed the article said the base would take two months to set up, and they did it in 17 days.
Precisely!
 
and this:
An interesting point regarding the economics of the F-35 for the UK, we are the only Tier 1 partner in the project, with a roughly 10% stake in it. The total buy projected for all customers is currently around the 3000 mark give or take. 10% of that would be around 300 aircraft, that's the value we are expecting to reap from the project, and yet we are only buying 138. So this aircraft will pay for itself twice over! ;)o_O:cool:
I read three times ... just let me see your emoticons: Wink Err ... What Cool
EDIT I guess you know I'm going to get back to this post at some later point in time :)
 
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My point was in the UK a lot is made of how expensive this plane is, but because of the way we are a part of the project as the only Tier 1 partner we get enough out of it to pay for more than twice as many aircraft as we are buying! The UK is turning a profit on this deal!
I thought you would leave it for now, too ... but since you didn't: you have NO current data showing your 'profit', you have only PROJECTIONS based on numerous ASSUMPTIONS, first of those being F-35 becomes the tremendous success you're portraying it to be (without any backup either :)
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what do I mean? well, if you want, you may find the number of copies built during this year, and the status of a contract for Lots 9 and 10, and compare against the dates/remaining budget/requirements for a block buy ... so at this stage it couldn't be completely excluded that under certain circumstances your talking about 'UK profit' might probably be considered as premature, don't you think?
 
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SouthernSky

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Honestly Jura, where do you get off in attacking posters from western countries over their governments procurement of defence platforms? It's never ending. It's high time you were held to account for this behavior.

I'm sure Obi Wan will give a far more eloquent response than I'm prepared to give.
 
seconds ago found in Twitter:
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that tweet says "Common missile compartment developed with US Navy (in packs of 4). UK reducing from 16 on Vanguards to 12 on successor"

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using google now, found some description: "Instead of inserting one tube at a time into the hull for later outfitting, the CMC is built as part of a section with four tubes built-in—called a Quad-Pack. The four tubes are manufactured and fully outfitted before being combined into a single module for installation. That module is then inserted into the hull as a unit. The ORP will be fitted with four Quad-Packs to carry a total of sixteen submarine launched ballistic missiles—but the smaller British Successor-class would only be fitted with three such units for a total of twelve missiles." in
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EDIT AGAIN
and now this picture :)
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Workers stand pose for a photo in the four-tube “quad-pack”. (U.S. Navy photo courtesy of General Dynamics Electric Boat/Released)
 
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Obi Wan Russell

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Honestly Jura, where do you get off in attacking posters from western countries over their governments procurement of defence platforms? It's never ending. It's high time you were held to account for this behavior.

I'm sure Obi Wan will give a far more eloquent response than I'm prepared to give.
Well I could, but I'll simply answer this way:
Jura Said:
"you have NO current data showing your 'profit', you have only PROJECTIONS based on numerous ASSUMPTIONS, first of those being F-35 becomes the tremendous success you're portraying it to be (without any backup either :)"
Yes absolutely true. This is how business WORKS. Any Business. Start a business, go to your bank manager for a loan to get the ball rolling and they'll want to know what your PROJECTIONS based on numerous ASSUMPTIONS are, and any evidence you have for making all those assumptions. It's called calculated risk. If the Bank Manager accepts your 'fancy guess work' which is all it is really, then they'll let you play with the Bank's money, and wait quietly (mostly!) for the profits to roll in.

The bulk of the projected F-35 orders will be from the USA for all three variants (and all the Israeli examples, the US basically gives them to Israel for free). The orders, both projected and actual, are more than enough to put the UK into profit on the deal. Add in the foreign orders and it gets better.Of course it won't happen tomorrow, but that's ok. We can wait. We are still in the early stages of the procurement phase and ALL business make a loss before they break even, and simply staring myopically at a few months figures instead of looking at the bigger picture (this is a thirty plus year project) is self deception of the highest order.
 
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