055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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Blitzo

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So what is the purpose of launching a ship? I thought that when you launch it, everything is ready for sea trial.

Definitely not.

When a ship is launched, it merely means the hull and some of the core structurally important internal subsystems (like powerplants) are fitted in, but most of the subsystems (like sensors, combat management etc) and wiring needs to be integrated as well as more mundane things like crew accommodation, utilities, furniture and what not need to be installed too.

Depending on the size of the ship, the competency of the shipyard, and the competency of overall programme management/procurement, it can take anywhere from a year to many years for a ship to go from launch to having all systems fully fitted out and ready for sea trials.
 

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Definitely not.

When a ship is launched, it merely means the hull and some of the core structurally important internal subsystems (like powerplants) are fitted in, but most of the subsystems (like sensors, combat management etc) and wiring needs to be integrated as well as more mundane things like crew accommodation, utilities, furniture and what not need to be installed too.

Depending on the size of the ship, the competency of the shipyard, and the competency of overall programme management/procurement, it can take anywhere from a year to many years for a ship to go from launch to having all systems fully fitted out and ready for sea trials.

Ok I see, thanks for educating me, I really have no experience in this, but isn't it better to fit in sensors, combat management on land first before the ship went into water? Because it look like after 055 is launched it is back in dry dock again.

Or the concept of launching is more symbolic than actual these days.
 

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Ok I see, thanks for educating me, I really have no experience in this, but isn't it better to fit in sensors, combat management on land first before the ship went into water? Because it look like after 055 is launched it is back in dry dock again.

Or the concept of launching is more symbolic than actual these days.
I imagine that it is in a wet dock so not influenced by the tides when fitting out.
Nowadays ships are often build in large modules that are already fitted out to a large extent. After being build together the ship can be launched but then the connections between the system parts in the modules are still to be made. This is the way China build its ships which greatly reduced the fitting out time. Compare the fitting out time of CV17, soon to be known, with what was necessary for Liaoning.
 

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Ok I see, thanks for educating me, I really have no experience in this, but isn't it better to fit in sensors, combat management on land first before the ship went into water? Because it look like after 055 is launched it is back in dry dock again.

Or the concept of launching is more symbolic than actual these days.

No, the 055 will be mostly fitted out in the water, just like all warships after they are launched.

you don't fit out a ship before it is launched for a number of reasons, including the fact that adding all the subsystems before it is launched means you're adding more weight to it before it's in the water, and also it means if you try to launch a fully equipped ship from drydock into the water it means you have the possibility of significantly damaging sensitive onboard systems that may experience physical stresses during the launch process.

but I think the biggest and most important reason, is because fitting out of the ship can be done in the water, which allows the drydock to be used for the far more important task of actually constructing and assembling ships. You can fit out a ship in water or in a drydock (if you really want to), but you can only construct and assemble a ship in a drydock (you can't construct a ship in the water), meaning it is in a shipyard's interest to kick a ship out of drydock as soon as possible to allow that drydock to be used for constructing another ship.


And no, the concept of launching has always been like this. Launching is always a ceremony, followed by a long period where the ship needs to be fitted out. I think you just have never really understood what the launching actually means.
 

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Henri K hypothesis on sensor suite on type 55 . the most interesting part is the radar that supposed to be much better than type 346A and the sensor element is made of GaN cost twice as much too
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The launch of the first Type 055 to June 28 was undoubtedly a major event of the year for the naval sector in China. Considered officially a "symbolic" warship for the strategic transformation of the Chinese navy, which slowly but surely accompanies the country's turn to embrace the oceans and its wealth left 400 years ago, one can easily understand The enthusiastic media and also Chinese enthusiasts.

But behind this media fanfare is actually a vacuum - apart from a few photos published by the Chinese Navy and amateurs, as well as two reports broadcast on local television, no technical details valid on this largest destroyer ever built in China n ' Has been communicated.

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"published here 10 days ago, we have assembled all the first elements that appeared credible and useful on this class of ship moving more than 10,000 tons.
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, the day after the launching ceremony, indicating that the Type 055 is equipped with a COGAG propulsion, A highly integrated design for its sensors.

And it is probably this last point that interests us today. Although the armaments planned for the first four copies of the program did not reveal unexpected surprises, the presence of several sensor openings on the superstructure and its integrated mature Type 055 raises the curiosity of most observers.

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First Type 055 launched at Changxing Jiangnan Shipyard (Photo: 老年 老年)

Distributed on the periphery in the form of plane panels, these sensors thus arranged offer a hemispherical cover allowing Type 055 to treat the different types of threat with the least possible angle of death.

The positioning of these sensors, which seems to have been carefully chosen, has the objective of reducing the risk of interference between transmitters and receivers and optimizing their simultaneous use.

It should be noted that few sensors - radars, antennas and jammers ... etc - have been installed on board today. Even slight deformation of the structure during the launching process could damage some of these external equipment if it had been implemented before.

What we see today on the Type 055 are therefore only "caches" or "empty boxes" in reality. Some are there to protect the empty openings before the installation works, others for guests to have a glimpse of the final vessel once the weaponry is completed.

And for the only part of the superstructure at the front, and with the clarity of the images available to date, we found at least 13 different types of these openings or "caches" for sensor.

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The side view of Type 055, with identified sensor openings (Image: East Pendulum)

In this issue of today, we will therefore establish some working hypotheses concerning the nature of these sensors, based on:

  • On the one hand, on exchanges with our colleague Xavier of the Navyrecognition site,
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    , both from the French Navy, to have the professionals return on the subject.
  • And on the results obtained from our recent readings of academic documents and technical publications written by the entities who have worked in the Program of Type 055
In May 2012, academic PAN Jing Fu (镜 芙 芙), also chief engineer of the 701 Institute of the CSIC Naval Group and several Chinese destroyer programs, issued
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in which he gave his recommendations on the Integration of sensors in the superstructure and mature of warships.

Firstly, he carried out an inventory of the development of naval sensors today and pointed out that those that could be integrated were those using frequencies between 30 MHz and 300 GHz (ie HF to EHF), otherwise Radar, electronic warfare (EW) and communication equipment, IFF transponders, data links, data distribution systems (similar to the American CEC), and geolocation and positioning systems.

PAN then analyzes and regroups the different categories of sensor which use close frequency ranges, thus potentially easier to share the same antennas and achieve a real common integration -

  • Radars, operating in S-band, C-band and X-band, where physical approximation can generate interference between them
  • EW systems, where the radio frequency spectrum is usually very wide - 0.5 to 18 GHz for detectors, 8 to 20 GHz for interference
  • The satellite communication systems: UHF (225 to 400 MHz) and SHF (7 to 8 GHz) for the most part, the size of the components is not necessarily imposing
  • Other tactical communication systems and data links: VHF or L-band for data links and distribution systems, and C-band for fast broadband data links
  • IFF and L-band GPS
Given the number of sensors that a warship must have today and the complexity of integration studies, this chief engineer insists heavily on the need to build a ground simulation platform to assess, in an integrated manner, The performance of the fused sensors, the observability of the ship's superstructure, and the electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) of the whole.

And such a platform entirely dedicated to the Type 055 program was born in 2013, when the design of the ship enters its 3rd year. The follow-up of the construction of this platform located on one of the sites of the Institute 701 had allowed us to see, at the time, what already the ship and some of its sensors.

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The EMC simulation platform on the ground under construction

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Some openings on the platform face to a lake in Wuhan to avoid the nuisance to the neighboring population
 
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The sensor openings we identified on the superstructure and the integrated mast of the Type 055 (Image: East Pendulum)

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Another integrated mast studied by Institut 701

The upper part of the integrated mast (①) of the Type 055 is visually very different from that of the two previous Chinese destroyer classes, Type 052C and Type 052D , and composed of 6 coaxial antenna layers of different diameter.

At the top is a "disc" that looks like a TACAN air navigation system, then from top to bottom arise in interlayer 3 layers of small antennae and 2 of large size - small ones of higher frequency and And the whole seems to be fixed on "bi-conical tubes".

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, which designed a network of high-gain VHF / UHF Controllable beams.

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On the left, the diagram of the antenna array designed by Institute No. 20 of the CETC group (Image: East Pendulum)

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suggest that these antennas (①) can be used in the transmission, reception and interception of communication, or radio-direction finding and data linking. This agrees with the opinion of the experts quoted by our colleague from Navyrecognition.

As for the housings in position ②, the same type of equipment is also on the other Chinese destroyers and would be the self-defense jammers.

The openings in ③, ⑤, ⑥ and ⑦ remain unknown to date, but they are located on at least 3 faces of the mast and it is assumed that they could be SATCOM SHF antennas, Ku and EHF receiver and transmitter, As well as the same type of distributor as the American CEC.

The relatively large plane surface in position ④ seems to leave little doubt that it is an X-ray precision radar, assumed for the firing of armaments like the various guns on board.

But a source close to the Chinese navy had indicated that the new plane APAR radar type 346B (?) In S-band, in position ⑪, now incorporates the functions of firing also. If this is confirmed, the role of each one will be interesting to know.

For the long and large boxes installed just above the 4 faces of the Type 346B radar, in position ⑧, the same but smaller ones are found on the Type 052D destroyers and this would be the IFF transponders of the ship.

Their relative larger size suggests that the Type 346B Type 055 radar is much more powerful and thus increased range compared to Type 346A Type 052D radar , forcing the IFF transponders to also extend their range.

It should be noted that the cost of each APAR Type 346 four - sided radar installed on the 6 Type 052C destroyers cost more than 500 million yuan (~ 64 million €) a ship. If this price ratio continues with the new Type 055, the Type 346B could cost in the 1 billion yuan (~ 128 million €).

Aside from the price, the Type 346B radar also weighs heavily in the literary sense of the term. Indeed, according to
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filed by Institute 14 of the CETC group, designer of this series of Chinese APAR, some compartments of the radar measure 10m × 2,5m × 2,6m and weigh in 10 tons.

They are installed on an inclined base of 70 ° and 7 meters high. But reading the text suggests that this installation is on the ground, so it is plausible that this concerns the simulation platform of the Type 055 in Wuhan.

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The installation of certain compartments of an APAR developed by Institut 14 of the CETC group.

Alongside the supposed IFF transponders are also other long boxes (⑨), pointing to the front, port and starboard of the ship. Their utilities remain mysterious because they do not find the same on the Type 052D destroyers, although quite recent.

Some believe it to be a C-band transponder of the H / HQ-9B anti-aircraft missile, others suggest the possibility of LPI passive radar, or navigation radar, but the truth may be quite different.

The openings ⑫ located next to each face of the Type 346B radar are in the same direction as the latter. Its function remains unknown.

The same mystery for large and thick flat faces, one of which is on the approaches under the bridge, and the other on the side of the double shed. Opinions differ on its functions - some experts speak of a high power HPM (High-Power Microwave) weapon, or a cooling device, but neither seems convincing.

An HPM weapon, such as the one we spoke about in the "
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" at the beginning of the year, requires too much power, in the order of GW, for a ship that Generates approximately 20 MW according to the first estimates.

If it is a cooling device, its central position on the approaches to the superstructure seriously damages the lateral thermal signature of the ship, and there is no reason to have such a device on the shed side.

There is a third possibility that they could be broadband jammers to cover the entire area of the Type 055.

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The first Type 055 float ceremony.

Finally, according to a Chinese analyst relayed by the Science and Technology Daily newspaper , Type 346B Type 055 radar reportedly used gallium nitride (GaN) based components that can work at much higher temperatures and voltages, Thereby reducing the stacking of components and the need for cooling. Compatible CMOS, they are also inexpensive to manufacture.

Of course, the use of GaN components in the sensors of Type 055 remains to be confirmed.

It is true that many equipment and sensors on the Type 055 have not yet found an explanation because it is difficult to carry out a fast and reliable identification today, due to lack of official data.

Further vertical research on published technical documents and entities contributing to the development of the Type 055 could very likely establish new linkages with the project and thus reveal other interesting information.


To be continued.

Henri K.
 
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A better side view to give an idea of the proportion of the helipad in relation to the rest of the ship...
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Tyloe

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Interesting that both Naval Recognition & Henry lean to ECMs for those side hull arrays. Counter-argument for VSRs is their positions are too close to the waterline, and HPM power requirements won't be met. Placing ECMs to cover the flanks and amidship complements the H/PJ12 CIWS, and HHQ-10's obstructed coverage by the SATCOM and chaff launchers. Guess it's wait & see if the covers or new hints flip guesses.
 
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