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Escorts and barracks ship 89 has also docked with 002.

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China's Type 002 aircraft carrier and several newcomers at Yulin Naval Base in Hainan on November 20, 2019.

A nice overhead comparison.

Good shot of 001A's highly likely CEC unit on the bottom left where the white line conveniently stops. Been looking for an image to get that close. Compare to the 055's which is the middle square. Likely to be transmitting in C-band, but its not a radar. Second picture is a bonus as that shows where the Type 055 places its Type 726-1 ESM units; note the half cylindrical units on top of the pyramid.

Tam said:

You can see the mysterious sailless submarine near the LCACs and the Yuan Wang ship.

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Somewhat OT for a aircraft carrier discussion, don't you think?

Bigger versions of previously shared satellite photos.

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I bet they are painting the pennant number on the deck/ ski ramp.

obj 705A said:

CV-17 can use up all the airwing of CV-16 when the latter is in maintenance, & when CV-17 is the one that is docked the type 001 will use the same airwing.

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Both ships and planes have to have a considerable time off. For planes it might be 20-40% of the time that they're unavailable. For conventional carriers it might be 25%. The rest of the time they ARE available but of course, not necessarily on a mission. Planes don't fly half the time nor do carriers sail out half the time they're available.

So if one tries to tie the plane's maintenance schedule with the maintenance schedule of one of the carriers, it will necessarily mean planes would NOT be available for the second carrier.

In fact, a good part of world's navies does have more carrier capable planes than the entire combined carrying capacity of their carriers.
US: 11 carriers, some 580 planes capacity. Total carrier capable combat planes: 950+
France: 1 carrier, some 28 planes capacity. Total planes: 42
Russia: 1 carrier, some 24 planes capacity. Total planes: ~36 (before ones lost in accidents)
UK in the Cold war: 3 carriers, capacity variable, depending on mission: 36-54. Total planes: 57 FRS1 (no FRS2, no strike harriers, no indian bound harriers)

So I'd venture out to say that once PLANAF does get to a point where it wants to be, training wise and quality wise (both of pilots and airplanes) we will indeed see a rather fast ramp up to significant number of operational planes. Which, for first 2 carriers, might be over 50 planes. For first three carriers, it might be over 90 planes. But it certainly won't happen tomorrow. We might have to wait until 2025 or so until we see that.

Yet we still have Chinese fanboys claiming 24 x J15 is sufficient for 3 carriers

delusional

asif iqbal said:

Yet we still have Chinese fanboys claiming 24 x J15 is sufficient for 3 carriers

delusional

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I don't think anyone is claiming 24 are enough, but they are - and as such I won't call them "fan boys" - trying to find a reasonable explanation, why there are not more.

To admit I'm also no step further in finding one ... but strangely it is a similar mystery like, where will all the helicopters come from to be operated the LHDs? When will the Marines form their own aviation brigades and not already now?

Deino said:

I don't think anyone is claiming 24 are enough, but they are - and as such I won't call them "fan boys" - trying to find a reasonable explanation, why there are not more.

To admit I'm also no step further in finding one

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what do you think of the theory that it might be due to limited number of pilots, which I wrote about a week or two ago in j15 thread?