Type 001A (CV-17 Shandong) Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

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    All USN super carriers, Forrestal, Kitty Hawk, Enterprise ,Nimitz & Ford, Can place ALMOST ALL their entire air wing on the flight deck and have the hangar deck NEARLY empty. Of course in this configuration aircraft cannot be launched. In fact when I reported to my first ship,USS John F Kennedy (CVA 72), which was inport at anchor in Rhodes Greece on March 24th 1972, the hangar was empty except for perhaps 5 or 6 aircraft and 70+ or so aircraft were on the flight deck. Nowadays with reduced air wings,(50-72) aircraft I'm sure all aircraft can fit on the flight deck.
     
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    ..Intrepid just pointed out to me that JFK was CVA-67 not CVA -72....thanks Intrepid!

    A.Man..where did you find that latest photo of CV-17? If it was in a group please leave a link. We all want to see MORE!! Thanks!
     
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    Via LKJ86PDF

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/status/1117048316175499270
     
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    IT should be a flow.

    Aircraft land, filled up with fuel, ammunition, every maintenance that can be done quickly on the deck done, and the plane gone as fast as possible.

    IF long maintenance required then move it down to the hangar, and do it there.


    But it means that there is a need to move aircrafts around, up and down, in and out from the hangar.

    So there is a need for wide corridors in the hangar as well, and at the end of it only the non working /waiting for parts jets can piled up in the minimal floorspace configuration, the ones that needs only rare accesses.


    This is the logic of every workplace/ plant/ manufacturing/ logistic/ transportation business and so on organisation .
     
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    I agree that is what they are doing in the current environment...but I also know they can carry more, an d do so effectively. I believe 36 may be a standard peace time load...but in the event of hostilities I beliee we would see a total of at least 48 total aircraft. And they will mazximize their strike capability because that is what the carrier is for.

    I expect in a hostile situation, at war, you would see more like 40 oor 42 J-15s and then 8-10 helos, with four AEW and six ASW/SAR.

    I hav been working with carriers and carrier aircraft since the 70s and personally worked on the A-y and S-3 programs. I have had many friends, including popeye who spent up to 20 and more years on aircraft carriers.

    Ifollowed the Soviet designs from the intial two Moskva, to the four Kievs, to the two Kuznetsov of which only the first was completed. Then have followed the CHinese carrier program since the very beginning, not to mention following evry carrier esign of the US and other nations throughout my life.

    I pray we do not have to have a war or any hostilities for some of you who are relatiely new at this to see that what I am saying is most likely correct.

    I saw what the Japanese were doing with the Hyuga DDH and as soon as they started building the larher zumo class I predicted that they would ultimately carry F-35Bs. This was a good 6-7 years ago when she was laid down and bean building. Many people, including some on this board, and people I have known for years in the USNI which I have belonged to for years...saying I was over-reacting and that the Japanese would never do such a thing.

    Well, now they have announced it and are funding the F-35B purchase as I said they would.

    Believe me when I y...even if they are stndardly carrying an airwing of 12, 18, or 24 J-15s, they have the capability in war time of carrying more than that...up to a totalof 48-50 totl aircraft. And if they went to war, that's what they would do. You maximize the strike at sea capability in particular. It's been that way since the beginning.

    I have thought of (if I survive that long) of putting together a program to build every US carrier out there in 1/350 scale. The following are available, a ouple in only Resin and old kits, though the new release by Trumpeter of the AV-3 USS Langley from world War II )That's what she was, CV-1 Langley, when WW II came along and she was sunk very early on)). Here's what exists:

    CV-1 USS Langley Iron Shipwrights Resin about $400.00 (or as AV-3 in 1941 new from Trumoeter, Plasic, probably about $80,.00)
    CV-2 USS Lexington, Trumpeter, Plastic
    CV-3 USS Saratoga, Trumpeter, Plastic
    CV-4 USS Ranger, Trumpeter, Plastiv
    CV-5, USS Yorktown, Merit, Plastic
    CV-6 USS Enterprise, Trumpeter or Merit, Plastic (the Merit Model is by far the better kit) ***
    CV-7 USS Wasp. Iron Shipwrights, Resin, About $400.00)
    CV-8 USS Horne, Trumpeter, Plastic
    CV-9 USS Essex, Trumpeter, Plastic
    CV-10 USS Yorktown, Trumpeter, Plastic
    CV-11 USS Intrepid, Merit, Plastic, Angled Deck
    CV-13 USS Franklin, Trumpeter, Plastic
    CV-14 USS Tionderoga, Trumpeter, Plastic
    CV-63 USS Kitty Hawk, Trumpeter, Plastic
    CV-64 USS Contellation, Trumpeteer, Plastic
    CVN-65 USS Enterprise, Tamiya, Plastic
    CV-67 USS John F. Kennedy, Trumpeter, Plastic
    CVN-68 USS Nimitz, Trumpeter, Plastic (Reagan CVN-76) ***
    CVN-80 USS Enterprise *** Used Trumpeter kit and 3d Printed pieces) ***

    You have to note that with the ssex models that are out there, you could build any of them, either Angled or straight dek and then simply change out decals to the right number. Same can be done with the Nimitz class, partoicularly since several Shapeways 3D prin makers have 3D prints in 1/350 scale of almost all of the differing sponsons and islands and hanger fixtures for the differences.

    Anyhow, I put an trpile asterics after the ones I have already built: Three. I do not expect to have the time or the money to do such an amitious project...but it sure would be fun.
     
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    In the 1960th and 1970th there were concepts to let aircraft travell from bow to stern or vice versa through the hangar. Now the US-Navy changed the deck layout, because this way was hardly used. The wide corridor in the hangar is to often blocked.

    One example of old deck rules is, that there must be a place for aircraft at the forward elevator in the hangar to move them out of the way if they are because of technical reasons not able to depart via one of the forward catapults for their mission.
     
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    From a ouija board: typical occupancy of the hangar deck of a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier. A corridor is not left free.

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    hangar deck.jpg

    Reason why there is so many lift and all of them on the edge.




    Right side there is two plane accessible immediately, four more needs at least one more plane movement to get out , probably to move one plane up to deck and get back the empty lift - the one in the middle of the front is with non folded wing, maybe maintenance ? .

    Middle section there are four plane accessible immediately, four ( maybe five ) need one plane move.

    Right section three plane ready to go, two (three) one plane deep, and two (three) needs two more plane move to get out )

    I have no clue how fast the planes can be moved around, the number of required persons and so on, that gives the amount of time to move and the wasted manpower.

    200 sortie / day eash of the m 2 hours long, with 50 planes gives 4 hours of preparation / plane, including all necessary move.
     
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    A "carrier day" is not 24 hours long. It lasts about 12 to 15 hours. For a 24/7 schedule you need at least two carriers.

    Average sorties per day in the last wars (Vietnam, Falkland, Gulf) was about 1,5 and in the early wars (WW II and Korea) about 2,5.
     
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    Guys ... what's the topic???
     
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