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    Just something to get this started. Old news, but slightly updated.

    Upgraded fighter jet test flight said completed

     
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    Last two ex-US destroyers to be commissioned

    Finally they're been putting to good use, eh Popeye? :)
     
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    For the sake of the ROCN I hope they can afford to operate them. To me the Kidd class ,while very capable ships, are just a cross between a ASW DDG and light AAW CG. They are really a bastard ship. But will probally serve the ROCN very well as long as they are properly maintained. Won't be cheap. But they have those GE LM-2500 marine gas turbines. Those babies(Powerplants) have an excellent service record. I'm not really sure what sort of weapons systems the US sold the ROCN.

    Say is the ROCN calling them CG's???
     
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    They can probably afford it. Also they don't have any other destroyers to run now that the Gearings have been decommissioned.

    I might be wrong, but I think the more important bits are:

    Standard Missile 2, Block IIIA (66 in Mk 26 launchers)
    Harpoon, Block II
    ASROC and Mk46 torpedoes
    Phalanx-1B
    Baseline NTU mod for the AAW system, as well as NTDS
    SQS-53D sonar (digital version)

    You'll have to forgive me if I've left anything important off!

    Nah, DDGs.
     
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    That's exactly what the ROCN needs. They can't afford to have a class of ship for AAW and another for surface warfare and ASW. They need both in one, which is what they get in the Kidd.

    The latest arms bill passing the Yuan (or whatever it is called) in Taiwan has run into some stiff opposition.

    The Taiwanese don't realize that if they aren't going to make up their mind about the independence issue and instead try to continue living in limbo (which works well for Taiwan) they are going to have to continually spend lots of money on weapons.
     
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    Versatility is the watchword right now, provided of course the platform can do those various jobs properly. But from all reports the Kidds can, so they're a good buy in the end.

    Oh, the incident with the tear gas was irrelevant - the Opposition had already decided to put the bill off again. It was rather ridiculous, because originally they'd agreed to pass it, but then the PFP made the KMT change their minds. Something drivel about pressure would be put on the prosecutor investigating President Chen if the bill was passed before the final report was out - of course it couldn't possibly.

    Apparently the report will be out in a few weeks, so we will be able to see whether these are delaying tactics, or they are serious about the purchase going through. It was funny to hear Ma say there was "no rush" in getting the arms purchase completed, when for years the Pan-Blues were complaining about how the submarines would take years to be delivered. So which is it?! :D

    How can they easily make up their minds? They've got a gun to their heads (two if you count the fact Washington says it won't support them if they declare independence). The status-quo might cost them in some respects, but in others it is preferable for now. In the long-run it does appear that they won't be satisfied with things as they are.

    On the purchases themselves, some of the weapons purchases are necessary. While the primary mission is to defend Taiwan against a Chinese invasion, they're going to have a military anyway. The S-2 trackers they used to rely on for ASW are mostly retired and the remaining few lack the sophistication and numbers to carry on doing the job properly. So the P-3 Orions are necessary. Same applies to the submarines - the current force needs to be upgraded. The only thing which is truly related to the "Taiwan issue" are the PAC-3 batteries.
     
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    What I mean is that the Taiwanese want to have their cake (independence) and eat it too (not being invaded by China). Right now they are doing that. The price has been major amounts of military spending. That will continue to be the price and the price will rise as time goes on.
     
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    Curiously enough, Taiwanese defence spending has been falling since 2000 or so as a proportion of GDP - it's only set to rise from the next budget onwards (and still level out lower than it was for a long time under KMT dictatorship). I think that will be affordable - Taiwan won't be able to match what China does in terms of raw expenditure, just have a credible force that could delay an attack as long as possible.

    On a new front, the de-facto US ambassador showed that Washington is really pissed about the dithering over the arms bill. I doubt he was talking personally - this is what the US has been saying all the time, just not very directly.

    http://www.ait.org.tw/en/news/speeches/docs/20061026-dir.pdf

    I thought this was a killer:

    The message to the KMT is, "We know you want this to pass - you asked for it before you lost the Presidency. So stop playing politics with the bill, else you might find you won't get access to what you want from 2008 onwards."
     
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    Which is indeed something interesting to consider; whether or not the next US president would be as willing to sell weaponary to Taiwan. It's a sticky situation because Taiwan's next presidential election is in 2008 as well. Cynics say that the KMT is just holding out on this because if not they won't get any kickbacks from an arms deal. (Note how the old KMT government would buy pretty much anything the US offered)
     
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    Whether the current offer of arms would be made again I am not so sure. I think that things like missiles and spare parts would certainly be put on the table. Also you have to remember that Bill Clinton offered quite a few things to Taiwan while he was President. But it would be ridiculous to wait on the purchase, given we have no idea who even the candidates will be at this stage! Plus losing two years on the build of the submarines would be a bad idea. I think the flashpoint, if there is one, won't happen until at least the start of the next decade (Olympics in 2008, Shanghai World Expo in 2010) - enough time to get the arms introduced into the Taiwanese military if the purchase happens now. More delays and it could be that when things get nasty, the submarines are still under construction.

    Yeah, no slush funds for the KMT while they're in Opposition. :roll:

    But I think it's because the PFP are really against the purchases and Ma is too cowardly to stand up to them. You should have read some of the things the PFP was saying about him recently. A decisive leader would have grabbed them by the shirt, pinned them against the wall and said if they did that again he'd throw them out his office window - which he could effectively do, because without KMT support the PFP will practically cease to exist after next year's legislative elections. But at the moment Ma is like a trained monkey dancing to James Soong's tune.

    After Stephen Young's comments we'll have to see if Ma is still dancing or not. :D
     
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