zubr completed?

tphuang

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I don't think it's important what China does in making Zubr indigenous. The point is that they just need to produce enough of it cheaply. China will always go with mature, good-enough and manufactured at home.
 

MwRYum

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Slightly OT, but realistically you won't have any attacks on Taiwan's east coast. In the time it takes for naval vessels to round the northern or southern corner of the island, ground forces will have more than enough time to shift assets around to counter this move.

True, though after some more reading that Taiwan's reaction plans still based on China using LSTs and older AAVs doing a short hop from Fujan coast to Taiwan's west coast - the use of LPD/LCAC, plus the ZBD2000s would certainly put an entirely new twist to it. Of course, without them operating in a sizable task group can't expect Taiwan to make any new plans to counter them - in terms of firepower the AH-1W (AH-64D in the future) of the air cavalry would be saving grace, their M60A3s, the best in their armored corp, is lagging behind at least a generation, including their state of serviceability...when I chat with them I always joked: perhaps you guys should consider looting the Singapore contingent when the poop hits the fan, for they got more fancy toys...
 

montyp165

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It's not as simple as such, for all its worth it'd be more like throw a monkey wrench to a known equation - all the balance, weight distribution, stress loading, performance parameter will need to be re-examine and re-tested. More like building a newly designed craft.

Considering the increased use of composites on J-11s (of which aircraft modification are more complex than for vessels), Chinese engineering already has the baseline necessary for making modifications as needed.
 

Pointblank

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Considering the increased use of composites on J-11s (of which aircraft modification are more complex than for vessels), Chinese engineering already has the baseline necessary for making modifications as needed.

Composites don't always give weight savings compared to traditional materials. The reason is because composites are usually strong in a certain direction, but are much weaker in others.
 

snake65

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500 marines may be less than 150 tonnes, but there is no way 500 marines can fit on a Zubr!!?!

Standard loads for Zubr are: 3 Т-90 MBTs or 10 APCs or 8 IFVs or 360 Marines or 140 Marines & 130 tons of cargo or 150 tons of cargo.

The contract for building 4 Zubrs is expected to be finished by 2015, with two ships built in Ukraine and two in China. The enterprize "More" in Feodosija is planning to hire up to 1500 personnel to work on contract. Russia will most likely object of design drawings transfered to China without their consent as the project 12332 was designed at Almaz design bureau in SPB.
 

dingyibvs

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Composites don't always give weight savings compared to traditional materials. The reason is because composites are usually strong in a certain direction, but are much weaker in others.

That's true, but I'd think that for most surfaces they only need to be strong along one axis.
 

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according to german "MARINEFORUM" the greek "Zubr-Class" ar for sale now (result of the financial crisis)
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macrylinda1

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One rocket hit or not, I don't think these ships were designed to take a substantial beating as such. However, 60 knots is something PLAN probably would like to add, rather than having just 12 knot LCMs or huge vulnerable LSTs. With sufficient air cover and good countermeasures (and if those AK630s can take down an incoming missile or two), and coupled with the Zubr's speed, it should be able to quickly deliver SOF troops quite well.

Same thing with US LCACs. They too aren't tested in combat yet. In fact, LCAC's advantages are speed and can operate from amphib ships which the Zubr cannot, but I regard LCAC even more vulnerable considering it has no CIWS!

True enough. But LCAC's have air cover from Super Cobra's and Harriers. And in the next few years F-35 JSF. Also USMC/USN doctroine calls for amphibous landings to take place behind enemy lines to establish a base. And not to directly confront the enemey with a "D-Day" type amphibous landing.
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ZTZ99

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True enough. But LCAC's have air cover from Super Cobra's and Harriers. And in the next few years F-35 JSF. Also USMC/USN doctroine calls for amphibous landings to take place behind enemy lines to establish a base. And not to directly confront the enemey with a "D-Day" type amphibous landing.
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I don't think LCAC's were ever designed for direct frontal assault. Those things are going to be destroyed immediately if they ever tried to land on a beach that has not been cleared by air assault first.
 

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I'm sure a good number of you guys have heard this news by now. I've seen numerous articles on this. But been the lazy bum that I am, I'm just using the one I saw on CDF blog.
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Cause of the accident at the shipyard "sea" in the village of Seaside in Feodosiya cities could become a human factor. About this portal "Novoross .info" told an official of the plant.

According to the interlocutor of the portal, the accident killed two employees of the plant. Two others were injured, one of the injured after assisting already released home, and the second with fractures of the extremities remains hospitalized.

He also noted that the most likely accident provoked one of the error, the Coordinator of the cranes, although he does not exclude that the guilty can be a number of staff. "Plant-in manpower Problem. Woman all her life, she worked as a Boilermaker at the crane operator pereučili recently. Most of our staff were already at the factory in St. Petersburg and in China, where the same plant, the interlocutor of the portal.

"All the Time trying to wear iron construction. Each of the 50-ton cranes cheer, boat weighs 95 tonnes, according to some reports the bug was that the cranes were not synchronized. The crane beams was Zubr hovercraft-warship, the first of four destined for China. Now the ship hangs almost electric crane-girder. In addition, that hurt people, ship armour flags, have serious deformation of chassis. Moreover, as a result of the collapse of the crane due to deformation of structural chassis shop. It is worth noting that the shop was unique – 52 metres tall, the second in Europe, but in one-third. OOO very serious scale – the ship cannot drop down now because there is no suicide bombers ready to board a ship and crane, said an employee of the plant.

When considering the effects of the accident, the interlocutor has noted: at the Enterprise Portal do not exclude that the Chinese side abandons the contract and require payment of forfeit.

On Monday at the plant are awaiting the arrival of the Interdepartmental Commission to investigate the causes of the accident.

It would be interesting to see what happens from this. Maybe China will get to produce all 4 on its own, since this plant will have some serious delays if it ever could get back in operation anytime soon.
 
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