zubr completed?

Can that new LHD they've been looking at be able to hold Zubrs?

I mean it can hold four air cushion craft, but are Zubrs too big for it?

Can that new LHD they've been looking at be able to hold Zubrs?

I mean it can hold four air cushion craft, but are Zubrs too big for it?
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I think you mean LPD. Personally I think the Zubrs are too large for storage in a well deck. Those things are huge. 184 feet long. Probally 18-20 feet high. You might get one in the well deck...Rusia built only 10 Zubr's.. And has built two since 1994. That in 2000 for the Hellenic Navy(Greece)

An USN LCAC is much smaller only 81 feet in lenght. USN amphib ships carry a squadron of four. The USN has 91 active LCAC's.

I think you mean LPD.

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I mean LHD.

The PLA Navy is considering to build new 15,000 to 20,000t LHD class amphibious ships that uses new hovercraft tank and troop conveyers and large transport helicopters, allowing assaults from greater distance and against more difficult shore terrain. Shown in the photo is a model of the possible LHD design by China National Shipbuilding Co. The ship features large stern helicopter flight deck, and dock to accommodate four large air cushion landing crafts.

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I'm just wondering if Zubr is too large though. It would seem odd for China to think about such a ship if there wasn't a reliable LCAC. Also, if you look at the picture, it does sort of look like a Zubr in the model.

Vlad Plasmius, That is exactly what I'm talking about. That ship is an LPD by most countries standards. Compare it to the USN San Antiono class LPD





In my view the PLAN LHD is an LPD. This is a USN LHD.



But the PLAN can call it what ever it wants. It is their ship.

I agree that the Zubr is too large for the type ship the PLAN will some day put to sea. That Zubr is a monster 184ft(56 meters) long? Probally only one could fit into the well deck of the PLAN LHD/LPD.

I agree that the Zubr is too large for the type ship the PLAN will some day put to sea. That Zubr is a monster 184ft(56 meters) long? Probally only one could fit into the well deck of the PLAN LHD/LPD.

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Hmmm, well having looked at it, either 15,000 to 20,000 tons is dead weight and its actualy tonnage is substantially larger or a smaller LCAC is intended for China's amphibious ship.

Of course, China doesn't have any such project currently except the Zubr. My only thought other than it being a very large LHD, or perhaps simply a substantially different design, is that China's purchasing the Zubrs and producing them so they can use that knowledge to create a smaller version domestically to use in the PLAN's amphibious forces. Other than that I can't see any practical reason for China acquiring the Zubr in regard to it having an apmhibious assault ship.

I think it's just a minor translation problem. In chinese, 071 is called something like LPD. The rumored LHD is yet to show up.

zyun8288 said:

I think it's just a minor translation problem. In chinese, 071 is called something like LPD. The rumored LHD is yet to show up.

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Yep...the 071, though they are calling it an LHD, looks a lot like the US San Antonio Class LPD.


PLAN LHD, Type 071


US San Antonio Class LPD

Zubr wasn’t designed to operate from amphibious ships…

It was designed for Soviet naval infantry and its task was to carry out short-range rapid sea-lift and beach landing of assault troops and combat materiel on territory held by hostile forces; so basically to conduct fast amphibious assaults in Norway, Denmark, and even Iceland, size vital installations thus opening way for main amphibious force…

While Zubr class has some shortcomings they will still greatly improve PLAN amphibious capabilities and they are great replacement for older obsolete amphibious ships PLAN currently use…

Thanks for the great discussion guys.

Looking at that cut-away of the PLAN LHD I see amphib landing craft. Just pretend those are zubr's..That would mean the well deck is 736ft(224meters) Long. So that translates into a ship over 1000 feet long(304 meters). That's not going to happen! So maybe just maybe the PLAN has a much smaller version of the Zubr in R & D?

While Zubr class has some shortcomings they will still greatly improve PLAN amphibious capabilities and they are great replacement for older obsolete amphibious ships PLAN currently use…

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The thing that impresses me the most is the speed and it's armament. To bad only a handful still exist.

bd popeye said:

Thanks for the great discussion guys.

Looking at that cut-away of the PLAN LHD I see amphib landing craft. Jusst pretentd those are zubr's..That would mean the well deck is 736ft(224meters) Long. So that translates into a ship over 1000 feet long(304 meters). That's not going to happen! So maybe just maybe the PLAN has a much smaller version of the Zubr in R & D?

The thing that impresses me the most is the speed and it's armament. To bad only a handful still exist.

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I agree that those aren’t Zubr class landing crafts… If we compare size of helicopters (looks like Mi-17) and landing crafts I would say that those landing crafts are some 25m long…
I would say that it is quite possible that PLAN plans to develop smaller version of Zubr for new LHD/LPD… So I would say that future PLAN LPD will be some 150-170 m long(so similar in size to Netherlands Rotterdam class LPD).

I agree that it is shame that Zubr (like so many late Soviet developed military projects) wasn’t build in supposed numbers… Those are quite impressive ships and will provide substantial rise in PLAN amphibious abilities (much more agility and speed compared to current amphibious assets)…