Zhuhai Air Show 2020

ougoah

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If there is a British article about a British company showing this same image from 2019 why is it too early to say this is fake BS again?

Because the image is from 2019 and nothing to do with China.

Do you think the developer of such a hypothetical fighter will use a random image taken from a newspaper?

Or perhaps the Chinese developer had this image since 2019 and the FT paper is the only source that ever used this image and it has escaped observation on every other platform?
 

sinophilia

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Because the image is from 2019 and nothing to do with China.

Do you think the developer of such a hypothetical fighter will use a random image taken from a newspaper?

Or perhaps the Chinese developer had this image since 2019 and the FT paper is the only source that ever used this image and it has escaped observation on every other platform?

Which is exactly what I'm saying. I am questioning why Deino is saying it is **too early** to know what that picture means, when clearly it's BS.

Please read my comment again.
 

Totoro

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I gather that the promo sign titles FM-3000N refers to the missiles inside the VLS? (would be weird if it was name of the VLS itself. Or the big missiles around it)

If so, still weird that the missile mockup inside the VLS mockup is indeed so different. While FM-3000 is basically an enlarged HQ-17 missile, layout wise, the VLS mockup has strakes mid to aft body and seems to lack the forward fins. And it seems to use a booster. Not sure if FM-3000N uses a booster.

I guess it's possible that the VLS missile mockup is just an artists' render and may not necessarily have much to do with the real thing. Or that they indeed developed a whole new missile and just retained the same name. That's not a smart move marketing wise, if that thing is for export.
 

Tam

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I gather that the promo sign titles FM-3000N refers to the missiles inside the VLS? (would be weird if it was name of the VLS itself. Or the big missiles around it)

If so, still weird that the missile mockup inside the VLS mockup is indeed so different. While FM-3000 is basically an enlarged HQ-17 missile, layout wise, the VLS mockup has strakes mid to aft body and seems to lack the forward fins. And it seems to use a booster. Not sure if FM-3000N uses a booster.

I guess it's possible that the VLS missile mockup is just an artists' render and may not necessarily have much to do with the real thing. Or that they indeed developed a whole new missile and just retained the same name. That's not a smart move marketing wise, if that thing is for export.

The export HHQ-10 (allegedly not the same missile but a competitor) is called FL-3000N, so the name FM-3000N has a logical sense to it. Then you have the "N" suffix at the end, which is for "Naval".

The FM3000 display placard is also interesting, indicating the missile is active guided. HQ-17 is semi-active or command guided. That's another checkbox. From this video, there are two other check boxes. One is that the missile is VLS launched. The other is that the way the missile canisters are clustered into four. Original range spec calls for a maximum of 30km in 2014, was it possible to improve on that ever since? Then you have the system using a rotary phase array with the ability to engage 32 targets simultaneously. That's interesting.

Perhaps they may have improved and redesigned the missile?

 

Totoro

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The FM3000 display placard is also interesting, indicating the missile is active guided.
Which placard is that? Can you share it?
Then you have the system using a rotary phase array with the ability to engage 32 targets simultaneously.
Where does it say 32 missiles? the CGTN video mentions eight missiles guided at once.
 

ansy1968

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The export HHQ-10 (allegedly not the same missile but a competitor) is called FL-3000N, so the name FM-3000N has a logical sense to it. Then you have the "N" suffix at the end, which is for "Naval".

The FM3000 display placard is also interesting, indicating the missile is active guided. HQ-17 is semi-active or command guided. That's another checkbox. From this video, there are two other check boxes. One is that the missile is VLS launched. The other is that the way the missile canisters are clustered into four. Original range spec calls for a maximum of 30km in 2014, was it possible to improve on that ever since? Then you have the system using a rotary phase array with the ability to engage 32 targets simultaneously. That's interesting.

Perhaps they may have improved and redesigned the missile?

@Tam Sir on the video the Fire control radar is the same size as those fitted on the new type 54A? a coincidence? or maybe an improvement?
 
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