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Japanese casualties around the ancient city of Tengchong, 1944

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Chinese Infantry assault the city of Tengchong along a trench line. 1944

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A very awe inspiring photo. Chinese Nationalist Soldiers throw grenades and fire at Japanese positions behind the cover of rubble. Tengchong, 1944


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In July 1944, rescued American pilot Joseph P. Baglio visited the Jinchaji Pictorial Office.64006a68cfae1f66cd8110.jpg
In July 1944, Lieutenant Baigliou, a pilot of the 14th Air Force of the US Army, left the Jinchaji Military Region for Yan'an

On June 9, 1944, Lieutenant Beglio, a U.S. military pilot from Connecticut, USA, flew a P51 Mustang fighter jet from an air force base in southern China to Taiyuan, Shanxi, to carry out the mission of bombing the Japanese transport line of the Zhengtai Railway. The plane was passing over the railway, and was suddenly hit by the Japanese anti-aircraft artillery. The engine caught fire and the fuselage was crumbling. Baiglio was forced to parachute and landed in farmland about 30 miles outside Taiyuan City. At that time, Taiyuan had been occupied by the Japanese army. After they observed a plane crashing and the pilot parachuted, they immediately dispatched more than 200 people to the direction of the crash to conduct a rigorous search. As soon as Baiglio landed on the ground, he vaguely heard gunshots and shouts in the distance. He hurriedly cut off his parachute and ran wildly in the opposite direction. As Baiglio was exhausted, when he saw that the Japanese army was about to catch up, a group of people in peasant costumes suddenly appeared in front of him, two of them grabbed Baiglio and dragged him again; The Japanese army engaged in a fierce gun battle. After running for an unknown amount of time, Baiglio was taken to a village, no gunshots could be heard behind him, and Baiglio realized that he had been saved. It turned out that when the Japanese army found out that Baiglio had crashed and jumped out of the plane, another group of people also came to hear the news. These people who risked their lives to rescue Baiglio were an anti-Japanese guerrilla unit of the Second Military Division of the Jinchaji Military Region.

When Baiglio talked about his impression of the Chinese people in the Jinchaji border area, he said, 'The Chinese people in my mind are not as quiet, conservative, slow, and old-fashioned as I imagined in the past. , but those who love to talk, laugh, joke, lively, enthusiastic, brave and tenacious. When we were fighting in Nanning, we were covered by the common people. Now that we have arrived in your Jinchaji border area, we have received the enthusiastic rescue of the common people here and the Eighth Route Army. "In this short period of time, I have seen millions of people holding on to their fighting posts behind the enemy's rear, defending the Motherland .


August 30, 1944, the "Basic Map of the Battlefield Situation Behind the Enemy in China's War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression" printed by the Yan'an headquarters.

The map was jointly produced by the Eighth Route Army Headquarters in Yan'an and the Air Ground Rescue Headquarters of the U.S. Army Headquarters in Kunming, China, to rescue U.S. pilots and planes that fell in the anti-Japanese base behind enemy lines. The red area in the picture is the area controlled by the Japanese army. It can be seen that the Japanese army's "cage policy" of "using railways as pillars, highways as chains, and bunkers as locks"; the gray area is the Kuomintang army-controlled area; the blue area is led by the Chinese Communist Party Areas controlled by armed forces behind enemy lines. At the same time, the blue area in the figure also marks a number of positions that can provide temporary landing for the aircraft.


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Eighth Route Army Posing with Japanese Corpses in Shandong, The text reads _“山东临朐冶源歼鬼子一小队留念[19...jpg

General Hu Qicai of the Eighth Route Army poses with the corpses of Japanese Soldiers killed after fierce fighting in Linqu, Yimeng, Shandong on May 1945.

In June 1945, Hu Qicai, the then chief of staff of the Luzhong Military Region, led the Second Regiment of the Military Region to annihilate the Ma Daya puppet squadron and the Japanese troops who came to reinforce them in Yeyuan, Linqu County, Shandong. There are ten Japanese casualties in the photo. The young Japanese soldier was lying on the ground, with multiple bayonet marks on his naked upper body. The three people in the distance are Soldiers of the guard class of the Luzhong Military Region, and in the center is Zhao Taifu, now 90 years old, the former director of the Hangzhou Heavy Industry Bureau, and the only witness to this photo.


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Randall Ching, who was known for his skill with a knife, would receive a second Bronze Star with combat "V" device for his actions on Sept. 2, 1944, in France wiping out a German position. "As a member of a reconnaissance patrol, Private First Class Ching assured the success of its mission by knifing all the occupants of a fortified position," the citation said.


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About sentiment in Japan about the atomic bombs.

Here are 3 surveys to show such high of victimhood isn't really the case. All were taken around the time Obama visited Hiroshima in 2016.

The first one was conducted by Asahi (Left-wing).

"How do you feel about the dropping of the Atomic Bomb"

31% Inhumane and cannot be forgiven

33% Inhumane but not deeply rooted in it

22% For the US, it was necessary course of action

8% It was war so was natural

Out of the 31% that said "Inhumane and cannot be forgiven", 89% appreciated Obama's visit.

Alas, once again, this shows how people of all sides (Allies, Axis, GEACS and Comintern) live in total ignorance of historical facts, so brainwashed by school and mediatic propaganda they are.

Indeed, do the world people realize that the Empire of Japan was hell-bent trying to build the same type of atomic weapons, they would have unquestionably used against the opponent's civilian populations without hesitation?

Gift of Fire (映画 太陽の子) is a 2020 Japanese history movie. In the midst of WWII, it follows a young Japanese researcher struggling to honor his obligations to science, his family, his country, and his own morality while working to develop an atomic bomb.
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Would these same 64% of the Japanese survey have condemned the use of a Japanese atomic bomb against China or the U.S. on the ground of being an "Inhumane weapon"?

Of course not. It would have been the classical "power is might, might is right". Just as their innate right, as the Master Race, to invade Korea, China and all the rest of Asia.

It is known that in the Middle East and other part of East Asia and South Asia, the same kind of hypocrites sympathizers with deep far-right sentiments keep portraying the Japanese as victim of the atomic weapons and not as potential users.

But what is even more outrageous is that the A-bomb (Plan-B) is nothing compared to the Empire of Japan's worse plan (Plan-A).

Indeed, what were in preparation in Manchukuo's Unit 731 secret labs, were the true horror and game-ender Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD).

It is only with the premature end of the Pacific War by September 1945 that these Directed Energy Weapons have been prevented to be unleashed against the Allies.

On this one, it might take another 8 decades before a movie is released.




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To so say sounds like it overlooks the history that happend.

Maybe because it would produce a sort of questioning not desiable? What if Japan had won? What if the US did not but an oil embargo on Japan or what if the US decided to allow FDR to meet Konoye so as to negotiate about the oil embargo? What if Chiang Kai-shek had not been back stapped in the Xi'an incident meaning no "second united front" thus likely no Second Sino-Japanese War? These are the possible questions if encouraged to introspect.

Is the "introspection" you seek only satisfied if its an "apologize like the Germans" conclusion?

Still not seeing the answer to question posted.
Not seeing any effort to encourage introspection and reflection on Japanese Showa history in classes.

To give a short reply, the Empire's of Japan was in pole position back in 1936 to achieve the first ever world conquest in history.

The longer answer takes a 3 MB long article (unpublishable here) based on data obtained with a computer simulation, during a 2 years development of a Hearts of Iron IV video game MOD covering the WWII era.

Short exerpt here:

2.1.2. Ahistorical Factors Used In The Modelization The 1946 Threshold GDP Triggers China's Strategic Focus Collapse Of The Axis-GEACS Unholy Alliance Occupation policy The Fate Of The Ethnic Europeans

2.1.3. Doctrines Neutrality North South West White Peace, Unilateral Withdrawal Xi'an incident Japanese victory in China Japanese neutrality in China Wang Jingwei Japanese defeat in China Fake surrender Playing the Cold War card Playing the SCAP card Pax Americana vs Pax Nipponica

2.1. Capture of Japanese secret superweapons

Here we demonstrate how the Empire of Japan was in pole position to achieve the first ever world conquest in human history, back in 1936 on the eve of the Second Sino-Japanese War and subsequently the larger Pacific War (WWII).

We will study the various options available to the Nipponese leaders, along the fate of the ethnic Europeans, and how the less than 10% probability of not achieving a world conquest, but instead ending by the most unlikely major military defeat and occupation by a foreign power, has occurred.

Domei said:
But now the war has lasted for nearly four years. Despite the best that has been done by everyone--the gallant fighting of our military and naval forces, the diligence and assiduity of out servants of the State and the devoted service of our 100,000,000 people--the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage, while the general trends of the world have all turned against her interest.

-Emperor Shōwa, Jewel Voice Broadcast, Transmitted by Domei on 15th August 1945

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2.1.2. Ahistorical Factors Used In The Modelization

We used a computer simulation to verify the outcome resulting from each of the four possible strategic paths available to the Nipponese leaders in 1936:
• Neutrality
• Northern Expansion
• Southern Expansion
• Western Expansion

The simulation was run for several months on Paradox's WWII grand strategy game 'Hearts of Iron 4' (HOI4), but the base version was reworked with several custom made modifications. Extensive use of console commands were also necessary in order to change many unmoddable aspects during the simulations, such as ethnic and occupation policies, historic events, peace conferences, declarations of war, justifications of war, core and claimed territories, joining alliances, sending volunteers and expeditionary forces, etc.

What was first an educated guess, i.e. a Nipponese world conquest by 1947s, has therefore been confirmed as an ahistorical possibility.

Many decisive factors, ahistorical by nature due to the real course of the WWII, have contributed to the final outcome, and therefore have been taken into account in the modelization:
•The 1946 Threshold
•GDP Triggers
•China's Strategic Focus
•Collapse of the Axis-GEACS unholy alliance
•Occupation policy Pax Americana vs Pax Nipponica

The above fully demonstrates that instead of living today in the Pax Americana, the second most likely other ahistorical probability is for us to live under a Japanese-lead world order, called the Pax Nipponica.

Japan had more than 96.875% chance (31/32) of achieving the first ever world conquest back in 1936.

But Tojo et al. intoxicated by the heavy and most nefarious influences of the Italo-German fascist ideologies and the imperialist culture, have broken the world's worse ever record in term of military defeat.

Surpassing even Churchill's abysmal failure.

While the British's most clumsy trick to subdue the Comintern by instrumentalizing the Axis, under his patronage and connivance, has ultimately backfired in the most devastating way, and thus putting an abrupt end to a century-long British world hegemony known as the Pax Britannica, Tojo's military adventurism has ended the Nipponese civilization's 2605 years of uninterrupted independence, a unique world record in itself.

Worse, as the Nipponese would not only be militarily defeated by what was regarded as the barbarian Europeans (U.S.), forcing it to surrender all its directed energy weapons and near-space airship platforms to the U.S. victor, thus allowing the U.S. military ▄▄ to achieve the first world conquest by the ▄▄s, but also endure a full colonization and brainwashing with the same DEW WMD weapons the Nipponese had initially intended to use to defeat the Europeans!

In short, to achieve the first ever world conquest, the probability were of 1/4 chance by remaining peaceful, 1/4 by striking North i.e. the Soviet Union, 1/4 by striking South i.e. the Allies, 1/32 by faking a surrender. The worse possible path was to pick a fight with the Chinese indomitable colossus, that ultimately brought the Empire of Japan to its knees in September 1945 (1/32 probability)!

Probability breakup by strategic doctrines:

1. Neutrality (1/4 probability)
2. North (1/4 probability)
3. South (1/4 probability)
4. West (1/4 probability)

4.1. White Peace, Unilateral Withdrawal (1/16 probability)
4.2. Xi'an incident (1/16 probability)
4.3. Wang Jingwei (1/16 probability)
4.4. Fake surrender Cold War card (1/64 probability)
4.5. Fake surrender SCAP card (1/64 probability)
4.6. Unconditional surrender (1/32 probability)

This painful truth has caused such sleepless nights and uneasiness that the Emperor Showa has confessed in his anguishing final years:

japantimes.co.jp said:
"There is no point in living a longer life by reducing my workload. It would only increase my chances of seeing or hearing things that are agonizing. 7th April 1987"

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A well established predictor of military victory in great power warfare is GDP (Gross Domestic Product). When someone suggests that the Axis could not hope to defeat the Allies, the underlying assumption is that the relative material potential of the sides made an Axis victory impossible. Scholars readily accept and promulgate a caution against economic determinism, yet some still tend to accept it in practice.
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In the simulations, GDP is related to the Industrial Capacity (I.C.).
It is the core factor that dictates when to strike and with which faction to wage war. But is is only a crude rule of thumb indicator of national strengths.
For more accuracy, instead of only comparing the Industrial Capacity, we also compared the number of military division deployed, divisions in training, the level of manpower available, the recruitment policies, the access to resources be it controlled or imported (metals, oil, rubber) and the technological level.

In short, the sum of the GDP of the Nipponese-lead alliance called Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere (GEACS) and the GDP of the powers fighting against the enemy of the GEACS, should always exceed that of the enemy alliance.

This is especially tricky when fighting against multiple factions each with its own separate diplomatic stance.
Historically, this was the part that failed for both the Allies, Axis and GEACS, while the Comintern outbeat all the other alliances, emerging as the undisputed victor.

And this will also dictate whether or not, and when to backstab former friends, as a total war, before they become too powerful.


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▲ 1938 GDP

Gross Domestic Product 1938

GDP in billions of 1990 USA Dollars; % of World Economy
USA : 800.3; 19.9%
USSR : 359.0; 8.9%
Germany : 351.4; 8.7%
China : 320.5; 8.0%
UK : 284.2; 7.1%
UK Colonies : 284.5; 7.1%
France : 185.6; 4.6%
Japan : 169.4; 4.2%
Italy : 140.8; 3.5%
UK Dominion : 114.6; 2.9%
Dutch Colonies : 77.4; 1.9%
Japanese Colonies : 62.9; 1.6%
French Colonies : 48.5; 1.2%
USA Colonies : 26.5; 0.7%
Thailand : 12.5; 0.3%

While the table contains more precise information, it is less intuitive to use than the map, that gives a good visual idea at a single glance of the comparative military strength of each factions.

Some trivia:

•Obvious is that the Comintern can not be defeated by the Axis alone, as both are roughly of the same strength. But a combined Axis, GEACS and Chinese attack can break the Comintern's resistance, with respectively a 26% of world GDP and 8.9% of world GDP, or a 2.9 to 1 GDP ratio.
•Obvious is that the Empire of Japan can't even match the Republic of China's strength, with 5.8% of world GDP and 8.0% of world GDP, meaning a small GDP ratio of only 0.725!
•The U.S.A.'s 21.6% of world GDP is of same strength as the combined expanded-Axis and GEACS with 22.6% of the world GDP. But the annexation of the Comintern would add some 8.9% of world GDP. Still not enough if the U.K. (7.1% of world GDP) survives. Meaning that the entire Old World's GDP is necessary before any assault on the New World can be envisaged.




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According the the comparative GDPs of China and the Empire of Japan, the long-term defeat of the invaders was predictable.
It is obvious that the Empire of Japan can't even match the Republic of China's strength, with 5.8% of world GDP and 8.0% of world GDP, meaning a small GDP ratio of only 0.725!
The Empire of Japan knew this perfectly well from start back in the 1930s, thus betting instead on a surprise attack to seize key Chinese cities in a few month-long blitzkrieg. A lengthy war of attrition would have to be avoided at any cost.
This same poor strategic thinking was later applied in the planning of the attack on the U.S.' Pearl Harbor. With the same tragic result.

Indeed, the epoch making 'Hundred Regiments Offensive' that lasted between 20th August to 5th December 1940, when both the U.S.A. and U.S.S.R. where still passive onlookers, witnessing history being fought by the true world superpowers, namely the R.O.C. and CPC, Axis, GEACS, U.K. and France, saw 200,000 to 400,000 men strong, in 105 regiments of the Chinese Communist forces fighting 270,000 Japanese troops plus 150,000 Chinese pro-japan collaborators.

From this major clash, the Japanese and their collaborators would suffer 30,000 casualties.
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This decisive game-changing offensive has subsequently been immortalized in the cinematographic depiction The Hundred Regiments Offensive 百团大战 (2015)
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The pivotal consequence that would prove fatal for the Empire of Japan and the Axis, was the immobilization of this 1 million plus occupation forces stuck in China, no longer available for any other theater of operation such as the coming Siberian campaign absolutely essential to save the German's in the Soviet front.

Again, the catastrophic outcome forced the Imperial Japanese strategists to adopt a desperate self-defeating and ultimately futile last-ditch defence strategy known under the most infamous nom de guerre ‘Three All’ (kill all, burn all, and destroy all).

Self-defeating, as the more brutal the indiscriminate terror campaign waged against populations previously loyal to the KMT, the more guerilla partisans supporting the Communist would be created in the backfire.

By checking the map of the Chinese theater, half of the territory under Japanese occupation forces is in fact peppered with guerilla-controlled zone.


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▲ How Much of China did Japan Control at its Greatest Extent?

This means that the communist insurgency was growing exponentially.


Chairman Mao would later acknowledge that without the Japanese invasion, communism would not have prevailed over the KMT.
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10 July 1964

Chairman Mao:
We lost all our southern bases and had to carry out the 10'000-li Long March.
How many troops were left? It was reduced from 300,000 to 25,000. Why should we thank the Imperial Japanese Army?
After eight years of fighting with 25,000 troops, we have grown to 1.2 million troops and a base area of 100 million people. Do you say be thankful?

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How could a modern military such as the ruthless Empire of Japan be stalled by barefeet underequipped and undertrained insurgents, while not sparing the use of motorized infantry, armored vehicles, paratroopers, CAS aircrafts and bombers, chemical and biological weapons?

One of the many reason is the specificity of guerilla tactics.

To avoid frontal assault, while striking at the weakest point. Retreating when the enemy advances, ceding ground to save lives, striking the enemy's rear forces and logistics when he retreats. Not killing indiscriminately but instead taking prisoners, offering captured prisoners the choice of either joining the Red Army or being released back to their village. Capturing the enemy's weapons and ammunition and turning their own cannons on them.

And in between, taking shelter and advancing undetected and protected by a decent layer of overburden.

This famous game-changing tactics is known as tunnel warfare and has been immortalized in the cinematographic depiction Tunnel Warfare (1965)
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The success of this tactics was such that after the final victory of the CPC in 1949, it was even further introduced to Indochina, in support of their war of independence from 1946 to 1976. With the same decisive outcome.

By inspecting these military facilities opened today to the public, from the abandoned one in Northern Laos mountains, to the island-based of Halong Bay to the jungle-based in the south, one understand how this warfare was a game changer.

Tunnels are protected by deadly boobytraps, entrances are concealed with a mix of underwater submerged access, visible vertical doors and camouflaged doors concealed on the floor.

Anti-chemical doors and wells are designed to thwart the penetration and diffusion of lethal gas.

In some part, one can not even walk because of the narrowness, and while forced to crawl there is no room for carrying additional equipment or backpack, let alone aim and fire an assault rifle, or throw a grenade.

Bombproofed from direct air strikes, with armored door, and even anti-biological air filters for the most advanced, underground hospitals have even been dug inside deep natural caves for treating the injured. Natural underground river flowing inside these caves can effectively hide the tunnels.

For these reasons the People's Army of Vietnam could never have been defeated, and it took nearly 50 years for Hollywood to finally immortalize this feat in the Ambush (2023) war movie.
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