World's 5th gen fighters - relative strengths and weaknesses


Japhethsdecendent

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If the Americans could upgrade the F-22 with tech and equipment that's already available on the F-35, then they've got a perfect 5th gen. I recall reading the Americans wanted to build such a fighter for Japan which would also restart their own production line and if there is scale, they can actually buy a decent number of these new F-22s. Japan didn't go for that option or rather hasn't decided to commit and it's doubtful the US would allow Japan to have a superior or even equal version to them. But the F-22 would benefit from some upgrades. Obama shut the production presumably because the F-35 is overall a better value option and they decided all the way back then that fighting China will be with carrier delivered and supported fighters since regional airbases don't stand much chance. Even if airfields can be repaired, the F-22s flying from those bases will need to land in other civilian or military fields in Japan if US airfields are being repaired after missile strikes. Nearly 200 F-22s is still plenty enough. They've actually planned and timed this well considering where PCA probably is in development.
 

Japhethsdecendent

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If the Americans could upgrade the F-22 with tech and equipment that's already available on the F-35, then they've got a perfect 5th gen. I recall reading the Americans wanted to build such a fighter for Japan which would also restart their own production line and if there is scale, they can actually buy a decent number of these new F-22s. Japan didn't go for that option or rather hasn't decided to commit and it's doubtful the US would allow Japan to have a superior or even equal version to them. But the F-22 would benefit from some upgrades. Obama shut the production presumably because the F-35 is overall a better value option and they decided all the way back then that fighting China will be with carrier delivered and supported fighters since regional airbases don't stand much chance. Even if airfields can be repaired, the F-22s flying from those bases will need to land in other civilian or military fields in Japan if US airfields are being repaired after missile strikes. Nearly 200 F-22s is still plenty enough. They've actually planned and timed this well considering where PCA probably is in development.
Hard to say where PCA is but it was deemed a better investment than restarting f-22. F-22 is still being upgraded and withing 3-5 years as I understand it we should have a better idea what MLU will be, talk of a sensor upgrade and whatever weapons like aim-260 which should be ioc in 2022. Perhaps work on other weapons coming out and perhaps an upgrade to give it some sort of DAS capability but not much details are out. I saw a little about engine upgrades for both f-22 and f-35 but that will be at least mid to late 20s. The strategy seems to be rolling out upgrades more as they seem to be needed as recent f-22 upgrades were systems other jets already had but were deemed not needed for f-22 yet. I don't think f-22 would be kept out of the fight in the pacific, it is going to be one of the highest priorities to find and protect it's airstrips. It will probably prolong a war effort as having to go slower and more deliberately as to deal with airfields and try to protect them on the ground. Those ballistic missiles can slow things down for fighters to some degree. The further out the less ballistic missiles to deal with, I imagine there aren't that many df-21-26s and then you figure some of those will be trying to hit ships and some will be most likely jammed or intercepted to some degree. f-35B/C will be mainly protecting ships and passing out targets frantically in opening days.
 

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