Why don't they buy other attack sub?

Gollevainen said:

(again golly comes and minimalizes china, what does he think he's doing?? )

Sorry, But once again i must hold your horses for you...

The 093 and 094 are still mysterious, there is no solid evidence that the boats are launched, only rumours..., Strategycenter is know of sometimes making overstatements.

It may be so, but again it may not be. So lets not claim something solid as there isen't nothing to rely on.

Now before you jump in and say, "hey but golly we proove you wrong at the 051C issue, so you are wrong now as we--" I must remind you that I will admitt being wrong, but only after I've been proven so, and that usually takes bit more than just hearing something said by the maintenance man who heard it from the company's horsemens...

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Gollevainen said:

(again golly comes and minimalizes china, what does he think he's doing?? )

Sorry, But once again i must hold your horses for you...

The 093 and 094 are still mysterious, there is no solid evidence that the boats are launched, only rumours..., Strategycenter is know of sometimes making overstatements.

It may be so, but again it may not be. So lets not claim something solid as there isen't nothing to rely on.

Now before you jump in and say, "hey but golly we proove you wrong at the 051C issue, so you are wrong now as we--" I must remind you that I will admitt being wrong, but only after I've been proven so, and that usually takes bit more than just hearing something said by the maintenance man who heard it from the company's horsemens...

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chakos said:

No offence to anyone here but i my personal opinion is that the Chinese submarine force is a load of garbage apart from the Kilos and Yuans it operates. Even the new type 093 is said to be based on the Russian Victor class submarine.. a submarine that to the best of my knowledge is no longer even in service with the Russian navy. If i was in charge of procurement for the Chinese navy i would avoid designing and building indegenous nuclear submarines in the first place. It is obvious that the main threat to China navally is the United States and if you realistically hope to match them then you are wasting your time producing something as complex as a nuclear submarine with little or no experience and hoping that you can compete with a Los Angeles class or a Ohio.

This is what i would to do catch up both numerically and Technologically.

*Build as many Kilos under licence and Yuans as possible in order to secure the littoral approaches to the mainland as well as to be able to blockade the Western side of Taiwan, neutralise the Japanese and Indian navies etc.

*Secure the rights to produce the Akula and the Oscar class submarines from Russia, this could probably be secured under an arrangement that will see a joint Sino/Russian production facility located in China where the submarines are built and an understanding that this facility will also provide maintenance and production of submarines for Russia at a reduced cost. (money talks bullshit walks)

*Purchase 4 - 6 New build Typhoons from Russia (They will take care of your second strike capabilities for at least the next 25 years if maintained correctly, and experience shows that one thing the Chinese are very good at is maintenance).

Once this is done China can concentrate on building more of the new classes of surface vessels it has aleady designed, in my opinion the Chinese navy needs the following to be considered a serious Blue Water Navy

4 - 8 Carriers with an ability to carry at least 36-48 A/C
30 Advanced Destroyers (Type Type 51/52 variants)
40 General Purpose Frigates (Type 53)
4-6 Typhoons
8-12 Oscars
18-24 Akulas

It sounds a lot but China is the worlds premier rising economy, it has the worlds largest population and has the ability to build lots quickly, its time to think big, think efficient and work towards a goal.

:coffee:

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sumdud said:

Yes, building native SSNs aren't always satisfying, but at least it's a start.
You are not going to expect China to always stay there building nothing at all are you?

Plus, it might not be good to build SSNs, but it is worse to buy them from elsewhere!
I hope you know other countries will not allow China to buy foreign nuclear submarines. Plus, China has greatly improved the J-7(Now don't try to drift off topic.), why can't it improve on the Victor? Also, you do know that Russian subs aren't always the best right? Radiation leakage in them is usually a problem.

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