Why don't they buy other attack sub?

Dragon

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Hi Everyone,
I am a new member here. Concerning the Chinese Navy, Chinese authorities seem to be very anxious to buy some more Russian made Kilo-class submarines for their Navy. I don't know why they have just bought Kilo class submarines without paying attention to some other submarines like Typhoon ( ICBM launched sub), Oscar ( attack sub) and Delta class. Is only Kilo suitable for Chinese geographical situations? Can Kilo really provide powerful combat ability to Chinese Navy in real Naval battles in Pacific Ocean? I personally think Oscar II class attack sub is much better than Kilo. What do you think ?:nana: :china:
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
Dragon said:
Hi Everyone,
I am a new member here. Concerning the Chinese Navy, Chinese authorities seem to be very anxious to buy some more Russian made Kilo-class submarines for their Navy. I don't know why they have just bought Kilo class submarines without paying attention to some other submarines like Typhoon ( ICBM launched sub), Oscar ( attack sub) and Delta class. Is only Kilo suitable for Chinese geographical situations? Can Kilo really provide powerful combat ability to Chinese Navy in real Naval battles in Pacific Ocean? I personally think Oscar II class attack sub is much better than Kilo. What do you think ?:nana: :china:

Welcome to the forum, remember to introduce yourself in the introduction thread and enjoy your stay here at SDF.

All three classes you have listed (Typhoon, Oscar, Delta) are nuclear submarines, they are designed are an second strike force, Delta is designed to attack aircraft carriers with cruise missiles. that means if Russia got nuked, they are there to Nuke back whoever nuked them in the first place.
The Kilo is a diesel-electric attack submarine, it's job is to sink ships. They are complete different types of submarines and have complete different roles in the navy.
 

homeless

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In fact , china trusts its second attach capability , the first imperative is lack of conventional submarines , japan , usa and taiwan have strong anti-submarine capabily , so kilo--the black hole in the ocean and a quiet killer--can meet PLANF's needs .China has 8 kilo submarines and the amout will be 12 in the future . that's enough for china's PLANF , because china is building its own Song-class and Yuan -class submarines .
 

Sea Dog

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But still, China is developing 093 SSN submarine program on her own. That's a nuclear attack submarine. While diesels are much more suited to slow, littoral operations, the 093 will focus more on deep, open-ocean fighting. I think China is intent on developing nuke subs indigineously. And I'm not convinced that Russia would lease or sell like they did with India. Russia is competing with America for influence of India.

China has proven it can build subs. Just waiting for results of the newer 093 to see how the nuke sub building has advanced.
 

DPRKPTboat

Junior Member
Nuclear submarines like the Delta and Typhoon are very expensive. SSKs like the Kilos are considerably cheaper. And I don't think Russian would really feel very comfortable about selling a huge and highly advnaced SSBN like the Typhoon to China. They'd rather appease them with basic attack submarines like the Kilo. But I think when China has the money, it might buy some Delta ot Alpha SSNs from Russia. That would be a better choice than buildin the Type 093, which is far behind both Russian and Western subs anyway.
 

tphuang

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DPRKPTboat said:
Nuclear submarines like the Delta and Typhoon are very expensive. SSKs like the Kilos are considerably cheaper. And I don't think Russian would really feel very comfortable about selling a huge and highly advnaced SSBN like the Typhoon to China. They'd rather appease them with basic attack submarines like the Kilo. But I think when China has the money, it might buy some Delta ot Alpha SSNs from Russia. That would be a better choice than buildin the Type 093, which is far behind both Russian and Western subs anyway.
actually, the reports are that 094 will have lower noise level than typhoon (which although can hold many SLBMs, is nevertheless extremely noisy compared to the best SSBNs of USA, UK and France)

I think China can lease SSN or SSGNs if it wants from the Russians, but it will have to pay for the construction of them and probably the Russians would want them back after a while. Either way, building your own SSN and SSBN and getting consultation from other countries is still the best option.
 

Clausewitz

New Member
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I agree that Typhoons and Deltas should be forgotten and the Oscar II class is the backbone of the Russian navy (anyway the interesting feature is the SSN 19 Shipwreck missile system, which is not on sale)...as for attack submarines I would have loved to by the Sierras as a technology instructor but their condition may be far from sea-worthy...Akulas are not on sale in my view but the Sierras are a dead end and Russia is famous for selling anything not strategic.

As for China in my view the 093 class is not priority, but the new Ming and imp Kilos are much more important to neutralizing any carrier group SSN escort. In a way a 20+ Chinese sub force could cause havoc for a US typical (or even strengthened) CBG unit...
 

MIGleader

Banned Idiot
Su-34 said:
Let's hope that PLAN's 093 SSN enters service before the end of this year.

There are at least four different, credible sites I have visited that state that at last one 93 SSN has been launched since 2001. We can ssume the ship must be in some kind of service now, probably as a demonstrator model. The sites also say at least one more is under construction, perhaps with features reflected by the lessons learned from the first 93.
 

Red Guard

Junior Member
you actually think the russian would just let you buy their nuclear attack submarine???? besides one of the attentions of PLAN is form a submarine force that could protect the sea as far as japan sea, which would be fine with kilo class kinda sub. and nuclear submarine is a very big problem for the envirnment.
 
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