What's wrong with PLAN ASW?

tphuang

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DPRKUnderground said:
What China lacks is helicopters, they need to get a lot more to use in ASW, especially if they want that carrier done!
so true, China needs something indigenous developed that's much better than Z-9C. Ka-28/31 is good, so let's get more of them.
 

Jeff Head

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bd popeye said:
He omitted the little sub chase. Gee I wonder why?

He may not have known himself. I am sure they have attempted to address the issue by now. That is a good book on the war though.
 

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Jeff Head said:
He may not have known himself. I am sure they have attempted to address the issue by now. That is a good book on the war though.

He knew Jeff. He was a SH-3 pilot in the RN. The info was no doubt classified.So he did not spill the beans.

He was an interesting fellow. He was the person that told us that the US help refuel RAF bombers and other aircraft. I'm pretty sure that info was classified.
 

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bd popeye said:
He knew Jeff. He was a SH-3 pilot in the RN. The info was no doubt classified.So he did not spill the beans.

He was an interesting fellow. He was the person that told us that the US help refuel RAF bombers and other aircraft. I'm pretty sure that info was classified.

If he was a navy helicopter pilot then there is no reason why he should know anything about any possible secret classified US involvement with the RAF. I call bullshit because of that, and in any case, the RAF would have had no need for USAF tanker assistance. It had scores of its own tankers available and most of them where not even used in the conflict. The US also had no air bases closer to the Falklands then bases already in use by the British. Odds are he just heard some stories, and repeated them. All wars spawn stories like that.
 

bd popeye

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What China lacks is helicopters, they need to get a lot more to use in ASW, especially if they want that carrier done!

True. ASW helos are awesome. Their slower speed makes them very through in a sub hunt.

perhaps china intends to use maritime patrol craft like the y-8, detect a sub, and sent in its own sub to hunt it.

That's a posibility. The PLAN needs better maritime patrol. It's time for the PRC to take action. y-8 may suit their needs. I would start with an ASW helo. A lot easier platform to work with. Helo's are more versital.
 

Wingman

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Does the US have any subs that can launch SAMs? I remember there's a Russian one that only launches short range Grails. Forgot which one.

If subs were equipped with med range SAMs that would be a hell of a threat to ASW helis. It's just hard to put a good radar on a sub. Maybe good heat seeker missiles would do.
 

Jeff Head

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bd popeye said:
He knew Jeff. He was a SH-3 pilot in the RN. The info was no doubt classified.So he did not spill the beans.

If he was an RAF ASW Helo pilot, particularly in involved in the Falklands operations, then I agree that he undoubtedly knew exactly what went on for sure.
 

Lavi

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The thing with SAM:s on subs is that when a missile comes out of the water anyine knows that the launch platform is close to the site. Good radars, surface search, are mounted on subs, so thats not a problem. The problem is that if you use it, people with ESM will get your bearing, and for a sub, stealth is its best bet.
 

MIGleader

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Lavi said:
The thing with SAM:s on subs is that when a missile comes out of the water anyine knows that the launch platform is close to the site. Good radars, surface search, are mounted on subs, so thats not a problem. The problem is that if you use it, people with ESM will get your bearing, and for a sub, stealth is its best bet.

well, if u need to use your sam on something, that must mean you were detected already
 

sumdud

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On PLAN ASW:
They have no long range ASW weapons, only some rockets and the Yu-7, a copy of the early Mk-46 torpedo.(Isn't said that the early Mk-46, which the Yu-7 came from, has a depth problem?)

The Cy-1, a missile-torpedo designed to be able to be fired from the C-801/2 canister, failed, and there are rumors that the CY-2 is being developed.

The sub chasers are fast enough in most cases to chase modern subs, but are in most areas obselete.

The only fixed wing that China has that can be used against subs is the SH-5, and those are being phased out without a successor.( :mad: )
Naval helos consist of the Good old Ka-28, the indigenious(quesionable) Z-9C(too light and incapable) and the Z-8 (Too few, not compatible w/ destroyers due to size, being produced?)

The Kilos has been fitted w/ MANPADS, SA-N-8 I think, but they are absent on those of PLAN.
 
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