What should China do when Japan & US conduct biggest ever military drill?

Ambivalent

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They weren't jets, they were Il-38 maritime patrol aircraft

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The media just likes to call every military aircraft a 'jet' nowadays:rolleyes:

Yes, but you want to shut off all your interesting emitters when the snoops are flying around. Some versions of the May can perform ELINT in a manner much like the EP-3.

Relax, popeye! Saying they panicked is just a manner of speach. The point is just that the Russians overflew and the Americans reacted. The drills were interrupted. For a few moments? Severely disrupted? Who knows. But the Russian action was noticed officially and publicly, which is what matters to them. This is a gesture of the Russians toward China, just as Medvedev's visit to the disputed islands was not too long ago. The Russians are saying to China: "We are still with you".

And When Mao describes the Russians as courageous, he is just saying, maybe, that he wishes China would act this way too! In this, I think he's wrong. The Russians certainly win the public relations accolades. Putin is admired throughout Latin America, India, and much of the third world generally, for example. But the Chinese methods are more effective, in my opinion.

When a potential ELINT platform in observed, you cease emitting. Those ships can stay out a lot longer than the May. Panic? Hardly. It's called good OPSEC.
 
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IronsightSniper

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Well, if China does get offended by a drill outside their borders than I'd suggest they better hold a drill awfully close themselves or announce some new super-deadly missile that can hit a fly from 1,000 km away all while flying at Mach 10 or something extraordinary like that.
 

ZTZ99

Banned Idiot
Well, if China does get offended by a drill outside their borders than I'd suggest they better hold a drill awfully close themselves or announce some new super-deadly missile that can hit a fly from 1,000 km away all while flying at Mach 10 or something extraordinary like that.

Actually I do wonder how the US military and US media would react if China were to hold naval exercises a few hundred km off the coast of California.
 

bd popeye

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Actually I do wonder how the US military and US media would react if China were to hold naval exercises a few hundred km off the coast of California.

Not going to happen anytime soon. China does not have the logistical ability to support that type of exercise.

But if it did they US would keep a close watch on the proceedings..very close... The military no-nothings on Tv news would beat their China is a threat drums but that's all.
 

Blitzo

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Not going to happen anytime soon. China does not have the logistical ability to support that type of exercise.

But if it did they US would keep a close watch on the proceedings..very close... The military no-nothings on Tv news would beat their China is a threat drums but that's all.
I agree China wouldn't do this, but if they wanted to stage an exercise near the US coast I think it wouldn't be impossible -- it'd be a very short exercise, and a fairly small one too.

I mean the PLAN can operate at Somalia for a few months, it won't be impossible for them to send a slightly larger task group to West Coast and execute a basic drill and then return home. It won't achieve much, it will allow the USN to get the acoustic signatures of the vessels participating, and will give fuel to the media's china-fear-mongering... but they have the vessels with endurance, and the replenishment ships, and a few long-deployment-familiar crews.
 

advill

Junior Member
Fully agree that for the moment the PLAN has no logistical capability in carrying out exercises in the Pacific Ocean off West Coast USA. Its strategic concern is the Yellow Sea, South China Sea and surrounding waters. China will voice its disagreements whenever US and other country naval exercises are carried out in these waters. Hopefully, common sense dictates and some encouraging results would derive from the resumption of US-Military meetings.
 

IronsightSniper

Junior Member
Actually I was recommending China hold drills next to the U.S-Japan drills but half the Chinese navy appearing 300 km off of California would make some conspiracy nuts go bonkers for a bit.
 

no_name

Colonel
Possibly not even have to go near California coast, Hawaii is far closer and within PLAN endurance. They've sent out their old destroyer into the pacific to take part in ICBM test launches before.
 

Ambivalent

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Actually I do wonder how the US military and US media would react if China were to hold naval exercises a few hundred km off the coast of California.

The Soviets had AGI's sitting just outside the 12 nm territorial limit off all our major coastal cities. We were told to leave them alone and not harass them. The Soviets once sailed a big battle group right off of Honolulu, clearly visible from the beach and all the big tourist hotels. No one said a thing. They were in international waters and had every right to be there.
International law regarding freedom of transit is only going to be honored if nations fully exercise their rights. China has many of her neighbors cowed, afraid to challenge China's claims in the South China Sea and Yellow Sea even when these mean surrendering their territory to China. China adds to the problem by trying to enforce territorial sovereignty in their EEZ. An EEZ is still international waters and ships may transit these freely by law, but only a powerful navy like ours and maybe Japan will exercise this right regularly against a nation like China. While China can and has attacked and beaten the Navy of Vietnam, and routinely arrests fishermen from the Philippines as they ply their ancient fishing grounds which China claims for herself, China won't attempt that against the US Navy, and the US is not going to surrender our navigational rights under the law of the sea simply because China is offended.
I wish China would put some ships off our coast so she can see that up to 12nm, we will say nothing. Even the Soviets understood this. What is wrong with China?
 
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