bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Errr theres this precedent with the antics of the anti whalers. Whats that guys name Pete Bethume or something, he only ended up being prosecuted for trespassing on a Japanese boat?
video leak on YouTube of Chinese trawler incident.
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Errr theres this precedent with the antics of the anti whalers. Whats that guys name Pete Bethume or something, he only ended up being prosecuted for trespassing on a Japanese boat?
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
He would have been declared a hero, and the country would donated/ given him a new and flashier boat with all the latest fish finder thingys
Quickie
Colonel
The video was shot from the Japanese patrol boat. That's why it's not so easy to judge which boat is actually changing direction or slowing down or speeding up. On the second collision, one reason could be the Chinese captain was trying to turn his boat to the opposite direction of the patrol boat and to go behind it in order to get away.
solarz
Brigadier
He would have been declared a hero, and the country would donated/ given him a new and flashier boat with all the latest fish finder thingys
LOL, if he was that good at predicting the future, he really missed his calling when he became a fisherman. He should've played the stocks like all the other chinese.
Seriously though, Sampan's point puts a really HUGE question mark on the Japanese accusation. Motive is a huge factor in judging any case, and in this case, it is far more likely that the Japanese coast guard initiated the collision (interesting that they had a camera handy... is it SOP to film their interceptions?) in order to have an excuse to arrest the fisherman. Most likely they wanted to intimidate and make a point.
Mr T
Senior Member
Rubbish. The Japanese coastguard wanted to stop and detain the vessel. Why would they want to be hit and endanger themselves? They wouldn't.
The trawler crew for sailing into disputed waters and fishing there.
Right, could you explain to me how you stop a ship by keeping so far away from it that it can't make suicidal charges into you? You have to get nearby, or no one would ever stop.
They were only doing their duty, and at no time did they do anything that was dangerous. They knew where the Chinese trawler was and what speed it was going at. You can't blame them for not assuming that the Chinese captain wouldn't go mad and start trying to ram the bigger ships.
Why? You can see the trawler's wake in all the videos.
So by turning to port in the direction of the coastguard ship he hoped to move away from it?
bladerunner
Banned Idiot
Quite some time ago I read an item where the Japanese CG were harassing a Taiwanese/ SK ?? boat. I cant recall whether it was a fishing boat or a boat full of protesters. Well an incident occured with the Japanese giving their side of the story, only to be made a mockey of when the other side produced a video of the whole incident. Totally shamed the japanese had to apologise etcetc.
So I guess from that time onwards its been a policy of taking their own video camera along when on patrol.
solarz
Brigadier
LOL, and in that fantasy world of yours, how would the Japanese coastguard go accomplishing that? Ask them politely?
LOL, and obviously NOT the Japanese for patrolling and detaining fishermen in disputed waters?
Obviously, you also agree that the Vietnamese fishermen are at fault when they get arrested by Chinese coastguard for fishing in disputed waters.
Bladerunner said:
Interesting... so you're saying that the Japanese have a history of lying about these kinds of events?
(A heavily edited 2-3 minutes video of the incident is hardly proof of anything!)
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Your entire post is based on the assumption that the Japanese had a right to be doing what they did in disputed waters, it means nothing because that just goes back to "no it's mine" argument.
Mr T
Senior Member
I don't know, what would the Chinese coastguard do had someone been tresspassing in waters they considered Chinese?
Well if they didn't then they wouldn't be disputed, they'd be considered Chinese because the Japanese coastguard wouldn't attempt to enforce Japan's claims.
Depends, do they routinely try to ram Chinese coastguard vessels? Assuming they did and it was somewhere like the Paracels, yes it would be their own fault for getting arrested.
I'm sure you'd have said that if the video had been shot by the Chinese trawler crew and showed the Japanese coastguard ships cutting their engines right in front of the trawler.
No, it's based on the fact that the Chinese crew deliberately twice rammed Japanese vessels. If they had shown no aggressive behaviour and just been detained for being there, there would be a fair argument that they should have been sent on their way fairly quickly. But they decided to use violence.
