US Sec. of Defence Robert Gates Visits China..What does it mean??

bd popeye

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Robert Gates is in China..What does it really mean? Is this just a state visit? Fact finding? Or is he just trying to appease China by simply visiting? Is this visit just a coincidence with the revelations about the J-20? Or a little more than that??

Personally I think he's just on a friendly visit to China. Perhaps to set up a joint China US military exercise such as dealing with a humanitarian response to a disaster. Make no mistake he will be discussing China's most recent military developments.

Of course he had something to say before he left for China..

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BEIJING — The Pentagon is stepping up investments in a range of weapons, jet fighters and technology in response to the Chinese military buildup in the Pacific, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said Saturday on the eve of his visit to Beijing.

Despite billions of dollars in proposed Pentagon budget cuts that Mr. Gates announced this past week, he said that the Chinese development of its first radar-evading fighter jet, as well as an antiship ballistic missile that could hit American aircraft carriers, had persuaded him to make improvements in American weaponry a priority.

“They clearly have potential to put some of our capabilities at risk, and we have to pay attention to them, we have to respond appropriately with our own programs,” Mr. Gates said.

At the same time Mr. Gates doused China’s proud rollout this past week of its new stealth fighter jet, the J-20, saying that even though it was a matter for concern, there “is some question about just how stealthy” it is.

Mr. Gates made his comments to reporters before arriving Sunday night in Beijing, where he is on a three-day visit for talks with Chinese generals and President Hu Jintao that are meant to promote a more open and stable relationship between the American and Chinese militaries.

It is unclear what effect Mr. Gates’s comments will have on the talks, which are occurring a week before President Hu is to meet with President Obama in Washington.

The American weapons that Mr. Gates was referring to included investments in a new long-range nuclear-capable bomber aircraft, which the Pentagon had stopped developing in 2009, as well as a new generation of electronic jammers for the Navy that are designed to thwart a missile from finding and hitting a target. At a Pentagon briefing on Thursday, Mr. Gates said that the jammers would improve the Navy’s ability to “fight and survive” in waters where it is challenged.

Mr. Gates was also referring to continued investment in the Joint Strike Fighter, the Pentagon’s newest radar-evading fighter jet.

The Pentagon provided no estimate on Saturday of the total cost of the three programs or others meant to counter the Chinese buildup in the Pacific.

Although Pentagon officials say that China is a generation or more behind the United States in military technology, Mr. Gates said he has been worried about the Chinese buildup in his four years as defense secretary. And acknowledged that the Pentagon and intelligence agencies had underestimated how quickly the Chinese could act.

“We’ve been watching these developments all along,” Mr. Gates said.

“I’ve been concerned about the development of the antiship cruise and ballistic missiles ever since I took this job,” he added. “We knew they were working on a stealth aircraft. I think that what we’ve seen is that they may be somewhat further ahead in the development of that aircraft than our intelligence had earlier predicted.”

Mr. Gates said he hoped his talks with Chinese leaders would reduce the need for more American weaponry in the Pacific. He also said that if Chinese leaders considered the United States a declining power because of the financial crisis, they were wrong.

“I’ve watched this sort of cyclical view of American decline come around two or three times, perhaps most dramatically in the latter half of the 1970s,” Mr. Gates said. “And my general line for those both at home and around the world who think the U.S. is in decline is that history’s dustbins are filled with countries that underestimated the resilience of the United States.”
 
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US Sec. of Defence Bill Gates Visits China..What does it mean??

“I’ve watched this sort of cyclical view of American decline come around two or three times, perhaps most dramatically in the latter half of the 1970s,” Mr. Gates said. “And my general line for those both at home and around the world who think the U.S. is in decline is that history’s dustbins are filled with countries that underestimated the resilience of the United States.”

The dustbins of a couple of centuries is nothing compared to the vast landfills of milennia... and there are landfills of great empires and civilisations that have slowly declined if not collapsed once they have reached their peak even while they were so assured of their own supremacy.
 

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Wait the name is Robert Gates. Bill Gates is the rich guy. Popeye this is gonna confuse a lot of people...
 

bd popeye

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^^^ Man o man that's embarrassing for me.. I changed title.. Wow sometimes old people have brain freezes!
 

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Well I dont mind Bill and I can get along with Bob, just as long as I never have to have a date with their sister Pearly!
 
Imo, I never disliked nor hated Robert Gates. I don't think he's the buffoon who he worked for before the current presidency switch; neither the person who's in charge of current US foreign containment policies against China(although I'd still give credit to her experiences with China, it is still a very massive campaign that would ultimately be in vain), nor the current president who's charismatic but inept as administrator of nation-leading. I've read about his background on Times, and he's certainly got a lot of experiences in a range of areas, from CIA to NSC. He's also neither that strongly vocal nor ignorant against China, and his play on words shows he knows what he's talking/doing(although we may all have our own opinions and not necessarily agree with his viewpoint, we can explain it away with that he has a boss to work for, so he's gotta stand whichever position his boss is going at). I also do think this guy can get somewhere with his policies: at least I'd think the direction he's approaching with US military's infrastructure as correct(such as restructuring the spending and projects)
Anyways that's just my thought towards Gates, and I'd also think there's a reason why he'll be greeted to China
 
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pla101prc

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there are two things you should never to brag to China. one is history, the other is resilience...besides that really should be a line i'd expect from the neocons

from what i know gates is quite a political savvy... much more so than rumsfeld.
 

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What I'm interested in is what will happen to the F-22 program. Mr. Gates is probably eating his words regarding China's stealth fighter program right now.
 

Red Moon

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What I think this means is that we're not going to see the same shrill tone in the US - China relationship in 2011 that we saw last year. I think the conclusion has been reached by Gates, Clinton, Obama, and whoever else, that any gains that may come from last year's policy have already been made, and the policy is now counterproductive. The US achieved a couple of things through the year-long nastiness in East Asia: Japan agreed to the base relocation and South Korea extended the existing military agreement with the US. Much has been said about Vietnam as well, but I am skeptical of that.

In any case, while the US needed to get these two agreements in place, I don't think it changes anything at all over the long run.
 
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