My same reply to the first article, applies to this one.
Other outlets are picking it up and further sensationalizing it. Which is probably what the "certain parties," (in or out of the Pentagon) intended.
We shall see.
US Navy DDG 1000 Zumwalt Class
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Other outlets are picking it up and further sensationalizing it. Which is probably what the "certain parties," (in or out of the Pentagon) intended.
We shall see.
Jura The idiot
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I think very interesting is this:
found inside
SECNAV Mabus, Maine Delegation Back Third Zumwalt Construction
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Most of the cost comes from the R&D involved in developing the Zimwalt class boats. If the navy had bought the full 32 units the R&D would have been divided across the 32 units plus the end cost of actually building the boats by gutting the numbers Congress pushed the R&D $ into the three reaming units meaning that the 22.1Billion is divided by three well the actual unit cost is rather low. The main reason why it cost so much is the R&D that has to be paid for. Zimwalt is a revolutionary platform a model of what the 21st century warship will look like. But that revolution demands alot to establish the ground on which it can stand.
That said I think even though the units built has been gutted Zimwalt has already pushed its revolution. Look at the Independence class FF the ship takes alot of the ideas of zimwalt although not as ambitious a light skinned ship with extensive composite materials high degree of automation, seemingly under gunned but packing extensive sensors. Focused on Reduced detection to the point where the deck is almost impossible to work on as all functions are meant for inside.
That said I think even though the units built has been gutted Zimwalt has already pushed its revolution. Look at the Independence class FF the ship takes alot of the ideas of zimwalt although not as ambitious a light skinned ship with extensive composite materials high degree of automation, seemingly under gunned but packing extensive sensors. Focused on Reduced detection to the point where the deck is almost impossible to work on as all functions are meant for inside.
Jura The idiot
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is it really? "The estimated construction cost for the third destroyer, designated DDG-1002, is about $3.5 billion." according to the link inside of
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/us-navy-ddg-1000-zumwalt-class.t5546/page-35#post-363739
TE, if I were you, I would make any such assessments only after sea-trials or later
I don't LCS/FF is a successful project, for reasons I gave
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/littoral-combat-ships-lcs.t3993/page-83#post-353949
Zumwalt is going to be a test bed for bringing new technologies to the fore. I's propulsion/electrical system, the AGS, the Rail Guns, PVLS, etc., etc.
It will be very successful at that, and the three units will be available for operations when needed...and they will be very capable.
As such, I will predict that they will be successful in all of that. And with a different admin and supporting congress...we may yet see more of them. But I am not holding my breath.
The talk about the LCS is completely OT here...except where it can be shown that the LCS incorporates lessons learned/technologies from Zumwalt...even then that should be in the LCS thread.
I will say this...despite its troubles, I am convinced now that the LCS will proceed forward and be very successful;. It will not be a "failed" project...but it will be a changed project.
All projects change to one degree or another...the LCS was on a bad path and had to be changed significantly (into the FF program) and then have the LCS vessels upgraded to match as much as possible. You may call that a failure. I call it the US being flexible enough, and open enough to make significant changes to ensure ultimate success.
It will be very successful at that, and the three units will be available for operations when needed...and they will be very capable.
As such, I will predict that they will be successful in all of that. And with a different admin and supporting congress...we may yet see more of them. But I am not holding my breath.
The talk about the LCS is completely OT here...except where it can be shown that the LCS incorporates lessons learned/technologies from Zumwalt...even then that should be in the LCS thread.
I will say this...despite its troubles, I am convinced now that the LCS will proceed forward and be very successful;. It will not be a "failed" project...but it will be a changed project.
All projects change to one degree or another...the LCS was on a bad path and had to be changed significantly (into the FF program) and then have the LCS vessels upgraded to match as much as possible. You may call that a failure. I call it the US being flexible enough, and open enough to make significant changes to ensure ultimate success.
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the termination of the very best,
from Seawolf to F-22 to Zumwalt,
too good to be true, or too good to survive?
there're lots of speculations about the true stories behind the terminations of these programs: too good, too expensive, flawed design....
the third zumwalt is 41% completed, only the collapsed soviet union would scrap a boat at this stage.
from Seawolf to F-22 to Zumwalt,
too good to be true, or too good to survive?
there're lots of speculations about the true stories behind the terminations of these programs: too good, too expensive, flawed design....
the third zumwalt is 41% completed, only the collapsed soviet union would scrap a boat at this stage.
This is a report of a consideration.
There is no current plan to scrap it.
The US Congress has funded it and the US Congress would have to vote to remove that funding. I do not think there is a snowballs chance of that happening.
And now that the SECNAV himself has come out in favor of keeping it...I expect it will never gain traction in any case even with this administration.
Equation
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I thought US Congress had already set aside a budget for those Zumwalt?
It has...and the third one, the USS Lyndon B. Johnson...the one the folks are talking about canceling... is already 41% complete.
We see this every now and then...but I honestly do not think it is going anywhere.
The funds are already allocated by law. The congress would have to change the law and I just do not see this congress doing that.
In addition, Obama's own man at the Navy, SECNAV Mabus, has come out against any plan to do this.
So...I just do not see it happening.