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let's wait and see is actually the point.
the total life cycle cost is the projected price from concept staging day 1 to the day they finally park them in the boneyard. that's not the sticker price of a car it's the cost of the R&D to build and design the car, production of the car the cost you paid for the car, insurance and a projection of every dollar you will spend from car lot to junkyard on parts repairs oil changes tune ups tires, rotations alignments and EPA emissions checks.
actually the point may turn out to be the real cost would be just a fraction of "total life-cycle costs estimated to be more than $1.2 trillion" (https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/us-military-news-reports-data-etc.t1547/page-643#post-427608): if the orders were trimmed way below "2,443 F–35 aircraft" (p. 39, the part F–35 Lightning II aircraft program, 75/707 in
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time will tell
 
and one more thing, TE, this:
... F35 however is another issue altogether. It's an actual standing mission need due to the age of current gen fighters reaching the end of there operational lives and limits of their mission capacity and despite the hate mail there is no real option put forward that could with in budget, time and that covers mission scope alternative program option to fill the gaps.
to me, you made sound as if the sky would've fallen if they had not built F-35s, while in fact they could just get new for example F-15s and F-18s as in
Nov 19, 2016
related to the post right above:

Government of Qatar – F-15QA Aircraft with Weapons and Related Support
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and

The Government of Kuwait – F/A-18E/F Super Hornet Aircraft with Support
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(and upgraded)

I of course know the plan is to build thousands of F-35s, but I'm saying there're always options, so I'm not buying any 'too big to fail' (EDIT sorry if you were not heading there)
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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Except the F15 lacks any form or realistic stealth and is a high end fighter for the Air force. The FA18 is the high end fighter of the Navy. The need is the low end fighter jobs for both and it would leave the Marines with nothing to replace the Harrier which is sourly out of date and not even in the same performance league.
 

Equation

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My gosh I hope they find the poor Marine whom had ejected from his plane and presumably somewhere on the coast of Japan before hypothermia sets in.:(

Tokyo (AFP) - Rescuers were scrambling on Thursday to find a US marine pilot who went missing after a jet crashed off the southwest coast of Japan.

The pilot ejected from the Marine F/A-18 before it plunged into the sea Wednesday evening, but the marine's whereabouts are unknown.

The US and Japanese military said they expanded their search Thursday following the accident, which happened some 90 kilometres (56 miles) off the coast of southwestern Kochi prefecture.

"Search and rescue efforts for the pilot who ejected from a Marine F/A-18 December 7 have expanded to a greater radius and include more rescue assets as the daylight increases," the Marine Corps said in a statement Thursday.

"The bilateral search and rescue efforts continued through the night with the US military working closely with" Japan's Self-Defense Forces, it added.

Japan has dispatched four ships and eight planes to assist in the rescue operation, it said.

Another jet was also flying on the same mission, Japan's defence ministry said.

The crashed plane is assigned to the US Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni, one of the main US military bases in Japan, which hosts tens of thousands of US military personnel.

The accident comes as US defence secretary Ashton Carter visits Japan as part of his last Asian tour.

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Trump's "tweet" about AF-1 is simply the start of him using the art of the deal to renegotiate for a better price.

There will be an AF-1 replacement. Trump is counting on being able to keep the price down and his direct involvement like this is likely to ensure that he does.

It's sort f refreshing actually to me.

Oh, but the ingrained establishment is going to hate it.
 
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I just listened to the fast-talking guy for a few moments around
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according to DoDBuzz Trump’s Force Plus-Up Easier Said Than Done, Leaders Say
President-elect Donald Trump comes to the office promising some of the biggest military force increases in recent history: a fleet of 350 warships, compared with the current
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goal of 308, and 36 active
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infantry battalions as opposed to today’s 24, to name two figures.

But while these goals are in line with the right-leaning Heritage Foundation’s projection of what it would take to address today’s global threats and conflicts, building the force to meet those goals would not be a fast or easy process, defense leaders said Wednesday.

Speaking at the U.S. Naval Institute Defense Forum in Washington, D.C., Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Robert Neller said a Marine Corps of that size would present challenges related to infrastructure, as well as recruiting and quality.

“That’s a lot of people, and you’re talking about a volunteer force that has to be recruited,” Neller said. “I have to find X number of battalion commanders, X number of company commanders, sergeants major, [operations officers], and let alone buy the gear, build the barracks.”

Currently, Neller said, the Marine Corps only had infrastructure enough to support 27 infantry battalions, or perhaps a bit more than that. But a greater concern, he said, is maintaining the level of skill and quality that the service has cultivated in the ranks.

“Whenever you try to grow too fast, it’s very difficult to maintain that level of quality and experience,” he said. “So if that’s what the president directs us to do, that’s what we’ll do as long as we get the funding and support to do it. But it will take some time.”

Rep. Rob Wittman, a Republican from Virginia, the co-chair of the House Shipbuilding Caucus and a member of the subcommittee on seapower and projection force, was likewise circumspect when it came to Trump’s plan to grow the fleet to 350 ships.

“That is a Herculean task, especially the track that we’re on right now to be able to have the industrial capacity to do that, but also to determine, what would that Navy look like in the years to come,” Wittman said.

He said he believed the build-up could be done, but said careful consideration should be given to the rate of build in order not to overtax industry, as well as which ship classes should make up the increase.

“What does the Navy of the future look like, what are the existing platforms to do that, and how do we integrate the newest elements of technology,” he said. “All those are compelling questions that we’ll have to answer, and we’ll have to answer those pretty quickly to make sure that we have the right composition of united states Navy to meet the challenges around the world.”

Regarding a smaller and more politically likely force increase — the plus-up of Marines from 182,000 to 185,000 built into the Fiscal 17 National Defense Authorization Act–Neller said he knew exactly how he planned to use the additional troops.

The 3,000 additional Marines, he said, would be a start to building out new capabilities, including information operations, intelligence analysis, electronic warfare, and cyber fields. Neller has spoken all year about these growing threat areas and how he wants to develop skilled communities of Marines trained to fight technologically sophisticated foes.

“So if you’ve got a little thing you wanted to put in my Christmas stocking that says 185K Marine Corps, I’d be very happy,” he said.
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FORBIN

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Def budget 2017 definitive ?

Army +1000 pers from 475000 to 476000 pers
USMC : + 3000, 182000 to 185000
USAF + 4000, 317000 to 321000
USN +1000, 32300 to 324000

Army ANG + 8000, 342000 to 350000
Army reserve+ 4000, 198000 to 202000
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For new equipment as planned minor differences

Total 619 billions i see also 610 out, planned last year for 2017 : 595 billions + 0.9 %
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so an increase of about 4 %.
2016 : 587 bill : base 529 the true budget + OCO 58 bill
2017 about 540 or + and about 70 or +
 
now I read
Wittman: Threat Analysis Would Have to Inform Buildup to 350-ship Navy
Building the 350-ship Navy fleet that President-elect Donald Trump has advocated would be a “herculean task,” Rep. Rob Wittman (R-Va.) said Wednesday, though industry could do it if the buildup were done in a stable and strategic way.

Wittman, who chairs the House Armed Services readiness subcommittee and co-chairs the Congressional Shipbuilding Caucus, said at the U.S. Naval Institute’s Defense Forum Washington event that he supported the idea of a larger fleet as long as the composition of the fleet was designed based on actual warfighting requirements.

“It can’t just be 350,” he told reporters after his speech. “It’s 350 of what ships and what mixture?”

“I think you need to do an analysis of what the threats are around the world, and the threats are indeed growing. So the question is, if you are going to grow to counter the threats, how do you grow in the right way to make sure it’s truly an effective counter?” Wittman said.
“The good thing about throwing these numbers out there is, it begs the question, it requires us to debate what is that force going to look like, and is 350 the right number or is maybe another number more correct?”

He suggested that ship classes currently under construction – the Virginia-class attack submarine, the San Antonio-class amphibious transport dock that leads into the LX(R) dock landing ship replacement, the Ford-class aircraft carrier – would have a place in that larger fleet. With already-hot production lines, build rates could be accelerated as an early step in trying to grow the fleet to 350, though Wittman cautioned it would still take a long time to reach that number. Starting new ship classes would only add to the timeline – and increase the risk – he said.

Additionally, the congressman said, leveraging hot production lines could lead to cost savings.

“What you could do to create some stability is to make sure there’s some longer-term certainty, so make commitments longer out with these particular classes,” Wittman told reporters. All the ship classes that could be built in the near term already have prime contractors and stable vendor bases with whom longer-term contracts could be signed, “so we’ve got that certainty there, so you have some flexibility to say, now let’s tune those programs, kind of increase the intensity there, since you know how those programs work, you know how to build those ships. … You can, I think, create some efficiencies there to accelerate build rates.”

Earlier in the day, Navy acquisition chief Sean Stackley spoke at the American Society of Naval Engineers’ Combat Systems Symposium at Washington Navy Yard and addressed the industrial base’s ability to get from today’s 272 battle force ships to the current goal of 308, and then even higher if called upon to do so.

“For the large part, our industrial base is well below capacity and well below efficient rate production,” he said.
“So can they handle it? The answer is, yes, but we have to be smart about, if we’re going to go ahead and start to build up our force, we’ve got to be smart about the sequence in which we engage with the industrial base to do that. So if you’re in shipbuilding and you want to increase the rate at which you’re building submarines, the first thing you need to do … is go in the mine and get the ore out that we’re going to use to start to manufacture our reactor plant. So you have to actually go to the vendor base first (for) the long-lead material items. And typically a lot of our vendors don’t have the depth and breadth of large manufacturers … so we have to shore them up first. Second is going to be skilled workers. While we might have the capacity and the throughput and the tools, we have to make sure we have the skilled workforce in terms of the right skill mixes as well.”
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and the article lacks a conclusion, so I'll repeat myself:
Nov 10, 2016
gosh "... to put as many ships under contract as possible to plus up the Navy’s numbers quickly. That would likely mean a reversal of Secretary of Defense Ash Carter’s decision to cap the Littoral Combat Ship and frigate buy at 40 ships back to at least 52 ..."
Randy Forbes is the Favorite for Trump’s Secretary of the Navy
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wondering if it'll turn out to be 70 LCSs? their production lines are hot, right?
 
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