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CAMM has its own launcher.

The Type 45 launches Aster-30 and Aster-15 from their Sylver A50 VLS launcher.

But, if the UK wants to launch everything from the same launcher, then they will have to use the Mk-41for anti-air Standard/ESSM, ASM Tomohawks, anti-ship LRASMs, and anti-submarine ASROCs, etc. That's why the Type 26 FFGs are going to carry an Mk-41 launcher.

Type 45 and Horizon use Sylver A-50 and 70 more big which him can receive MDCN CM, all Sylver VLS can receive also Crotale VT1 ( used on La Fayette ) quad-packed maybe possible put several Sea Ceptor in a cellule.

Ofc UK buy Mk-41 for future Type 26 is quite logical but according i have say a different solution, less good, have existed for Type 26 and can existed for actual Type 45 but i think very difficult for budget matter questions.

When i see it i think really we have need a thread on VLS...:)
 

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The Shunk Works and NASA are now officially working on a Blackbird follow on. The SR-72 is to be an unmanned, hypersonic ISR / strike platform using turbine-based combined cycle technology, developed from more or less off-the-shelf solutions. Very interested to see were it goes. After the stealth revolution, very high speed is the next step the USAF sees as staying ahead of an opponents defenses.

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NASA launches study for Skunk Works SR-72 concept
By: Dan Parsons - Washington DC
Source: Flightglobal.com - 20 hours ago

NASA has awarded a contract to Lockheed Martin to study the feasibility of building a hypersonic propulsion system for a concept intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) aircraft dubbed the SR-72 using existing turbine engine technologies.

The $892,292 contract “provides for a parametric design study to establish the viability of a turbine-based combined cycle (TBCC) propulsion system consisting of integrating several combinations of near-term turbine engine solutions and a very low Mach ignition Dual Mode RamJet (DMRJ) in the SR-72 vehicle concept,” the award document says.

A spokeswoman for Lockheed’s Skunk Works development laboratory declined to comment on the contract award.

The SR-72 is envisioned as an unmanned, reusable hypersonic ISR and strike aircraft capable of Mach 6.0 flight, or nearly double the speed of its predecessor, the SR-71 Blackbird.

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NASA is funding the validation of a previous Lockheed study that found speeds up to Mach 7 could be achieved with a dual-mode engine that combines turbine and ramjet technologies, says Paul Bartolotta, a senior aerospace engineer at NASA Glenn Research Center who specialises in hypersonic propulsion.

Skunk Works was responsible for developing the SR-71 Blackbird, which was able to achieve M3.2 with specially designed Pratt & Whitney J58 engines. The powerplants were able to function as a low-speed ramjet by redirecting intake air around the engine core and into the afterburner past M2.5.

Potential adversaries are working on technologies to counter US air force fighter and bomber stealth capabilities. The service sees hypersonic vehicles as the next logical step in that arms race.

The US Air Force has a hypersonics roadmap that envisions fielding a hypersonic strike weapon, to succeed the X-51 Waverider proof-of-concept demonstration. The Waverider successfully launched from a B-52 and was powered to M4.8 by a booster rocket. The X-51 then accelerated to M5.1 after igniting its ramjet engine.

The roadmap envisions a follow-on programme calling for a reusable unmanned aircraft with M6.0 speeds. At that speed, intelligence can be gathered or weapons delivered before enemy air defenses are even alerted.

Both AFRL and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) have been after a low-speed ramjet for years. The agencies’ HTV-3X programme demonstrated that a ramjet that could operate below M3.0. That inspired Lockheed to partner with Aerojet Rocketdyne to develop a way to use off-the shelf engines like the F100 or F110 for short bursts of acceleration beyond M2.2 in an attempt to close the gap between the two propulsion technologies.

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“This study is asking whether we can use existing technologies to create a dual-mode ramjet that in theory can light up at Mach 2 to 2.5,” Bartolotta says. “The key to this whole effort is whether we can do it and finding the required technologies so we can plan for a programme in which we can spend some major dollars.”

The problem with hypersonic propulsion has always been the gap between the highest speed capability of a turbojet and the lowest speed of a ramjet. Most ramjets cannot achieve ignition below M4.0. Turbine engines typically can accelerate to only M2.2, below speeds at which a ramjet could take over and continue acceleration.

Therefore, NASA and Lockheed must either develop a turbine engine that can accelerate to M4.0, or a ramjet that can function at speeds within a turbine engine’s envelope, Bartolotta says.

“We’re looking for a turbine-based combined system where at low speeds you have a turbine providing power, then at higher speeds a ramjet or scramjet takes over,” he says. “We want to be able to go up to Mach 7 then transition back to the turbine to land it on a runway and recover it. The problem is how you can get the vehicle to fly fast enough to ignite the DMRJ and then have the DMRJ take over.”

NASA is considering several existing turbofan engines for use in the project, including the Pratt and Whitney F100-PW-229 that powers both the Boeing F-15 and Lockheed Martin F-16, among other aircraft. The General Electric F414 used by the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet also is being studied, along with the supersonic turbine engine for long range (STELR) engine conceived by the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL).

If the study is successful, NASA wants to fund a demonstration programme. Lockheed would test the dual-mode ramjet in a flight research vehicle, and try to find solutions to issues like engine packaging and designing the thermal management system, Bartolotta says.

“We’re doing this at a lower Mach number so we need to figure out what are the issues for cocooning the turbine, what do we need to do to reignite that turbine once we come down from hypersonic speeds,” Bartolotta says.

Photos courtesy of Lockheed Martin.
 

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Reuters said:
(Reuters) - Lockheed Martin Corp is on track to deliver all 36 F-35 fighter jets planned in 2014, the Pentagon's F-35 program manager told reporters on Wednesday.

Air Force Lieutenant General Chris Bogdan said the final two aircraft to be delivered to the U.S. government were in flight testing, but he expected that process to be completed by the end of the year.

The deliveries would pave the way for Lockheed to receive most of the incentive fees associated with the delivery schedule, Bogdan said. He did not provide any details.

The beat goes on.
 

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Remains this year one to delivered, for Luke which have get her 15th AF-57 12-5046/LF the 15 december, 16th follow, in 2015 this sqn get 24 F-35A standard theoretical staffing for a USAF fighter sqn.

First flight for BF-40 also.
 

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Advanced derivatives of Lockheed Martin F-35 JSF could replace the F-22 Raptor, F-15C Eagle, & F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

NAtional Interest said:
Advanced derivatives of the tri-service Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter could replace the Air Force’s F-22 Raptor, Boeing F-15C Eagle and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, multiple sources told the National Interest. However, they added that the idea of replacing the high flying and fast Raptor with the slower and less agile F-35 was not well received by many within the Air Force.

“No doubt that the F-35 will be doing air dominance missions in the future,” one industry official said. “Especially with more internal air-to-air, and maybe a new engine.”

Both the U.S. Air Force (USAF) and the U.S. Navy (USN) have begun preliminary work on analysis of alternatives (AOA) for the sixth-generations of those aircraft. The Air Force effort, called the F-X, is aimed at recapitalizing its fleet of air superiority fighters while the Navy’s F/A-XX program is expected to produce a replacement for the Super Hornet. The Navy will start its formal AOA in 2015 while the Air Force’s analysis will start a little later—in about a year and a half from now.

The Air Force hopes to enter into a technology development phase in 2018.

While both the Navy and the Air Force are looking at many possible options to replace their jets, including modernized versions of current aircraft, new clean-sheet designs—manned and unmanned—and some other outside-the-box ideas, one of the major contenders to replace the F-22, F-15 and F/A-18E/F is a highly modified F-35.

“It will likely be one of the alternatives in the Analysis of Alternatives,” said a senior Air Force official.

The Navy, too, will likely consider a highly modified F-35 to fit its F/A-XX requirement, service officials confirmed. “We will both have to do it in order to baseline our capabilities and ensure the taxpayer and services are getting the best alternative,” the Air Force official said. “It's routine for us to look at whether or not existing systems or modifications to existing systems can fulfill our gaps.”

The Air Force official added that another alternative will be to modify and upgrade the tiny 186 aircraft-strong F-22 Raptor fleet. “Modifying the Raptor will be an option too,” he said. “I doubt either the F-22 or F-35 will ‘win.’”

The Air Force and Navy are adamant that their disparate mission requirements for the F-X and F/A-XX will mean that they will ultimately require separate solutions. “I would expect our requirements to be a lot different from the Navy’s,” Col. Tom Coglitore, who heads Air Combat Command’s Air Superiority Core Function Team and the F-X program, told the trade journal Aviation Week in its Oct. 13 issue. “Our system of systems would be more offensively minded and operate in more difficult and highly contested areas of operation than the areas the Navy will likely be operating in.”

Industry officials, however, are less certain that the Air Force and Navy will ultimately be able to afford separate platforms to replace their aging fleets. The most likely scenario is that budgetary realities will force the two services to develop a common platform. “USAF and Navy can ‘afford’ to have differences now, since everything is pre AoA. However, fiscal realities will force them to align technology and weapons investments,” the industry official said. “Their differences stem primarily from out-of-phase need dates, and different capability emphases.”

Given that defense spending does not look like it will increase in the near future—especially in the coming years when technologies for the F/A-XX and F-X will have to be developed—advanced versions of the F-35 might be the best option for the Air Force. “The USAF will need to factor F-35A—and ‘E’—into the air dominance equation,” the industry official said. “Especially when it’s loaded with next generation air-to-air missiles, and other technologies.”

The Navy, given the limitations of aircraft carriers and their increasing vulnerability to anti-ship cruise and ballistic missiles, might have to concede the high-end air superiority mission to the Air Force.

Arguably, the service already gave up that role with the demise of the Grumman F-14 Tomcat fleet and the cancellation of the Naval Advanced Tactical Fighter and A/F-X programs during the 1990s drawdown.

“The Navy may need to be content with ceding the uber-air dominance mission to the USAF due to the geometric constraints of their ‘mobile airbases,’” the industry official said.

A Lockheed Martin official would not provide any information on advanced F-35 derivatives that are currently in the works—but acknowledged that such projects are underway. “We cannot provide any details on either of these topics given their proprietary nature,” company spokeswoman Heather Kelso said.

Operational Air Force pilots with air superiority fighter experience were less than enthusiastic about the prospect of the F-35 replacing the Raptor or F-15. “I hope they get that we need to be well beyond the F-35 in the future and recycling a ramped up proposal isn't going to be good enough,” one senior officer said.

Another added that it was physically impossible for the F-35 to match, much less replace, the F-22. “F-35s will never be able to sit at the table with F-22s in the realm of air-to-air and SEAD/DEAD [suppression of enemy air defenses/destruction of enemy air defenses],” the senior Air Force pilot said. “Doesn't have the performance, doesn't have the payload, doesn't have the stealth.”
 
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NASA launches study for Skunk Works SR-72 concept
By: DAN PARSONSWASHINGTON DC Source: Flightglobal.com 16:52 17 Dec 2014
NASA has awarded a contract to Lockheed Martin to study the feasibility of building a hypersonic propulsion system for a concept intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) aircraft dubbed the SR-72 using existing turbine engine technologies.

The $892,292 contract “provides for a parametric design study to establish the viability of a turbine-based combined cycle (TBCC) propulsion system consisting of integrating several combinations of near-term turbine engine solutions and a very low Mach ignition Dual Mode RamJet (DMRJ) in the SR-72 vehicle concept,” the award document says.

A spokeswoman for Lockheed’s Skunk Works development laboratory declined to comment on the contract award.

The SR-72 is envisioned as an unmanned, reusable hypersonic ISR and strike aircraft capable of Mach 6.0 flight, or nearly double the speed of its predecessor, the SR-71 Blackbird.

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NASA is funding the validation of a previous Lockheed study that found speeds up to Mach 7 could be achieved with a dual-mode engine that combines turbine and ramjet technologies, says Paul Bartolotta, a senior aerospace engineer at NASA Glenn Research Center who specialises in hypersonic propulsion.

Skunk Works was responsible for developing the SR-71 Blackbird, which was able to achieve M3.2 with specially designed Pratt & Whitney J58 engines. The powerplants were able to function as a low-speed ramjet by redirecting intake air around the engine core and into the afterburner past M2.5.

Potential adversaries are working on technologies to counter US air force fighter and bomber stealth capabilities. The service sees hypersonic vehicles as the next logical step in that arms race.

The US Air Force has a hypersonics roadmap that envisions fielding a hypersonic strike weapon, to succeed the X-51 Waverider proof-of-concept demonstration. The Waverider successfully launched from a B-52 and was powered to M4.8 by a booster rocket. The X-51 then accelerated to M5.1 after igniting its ramjet engine.

The roadmap envisions a follow-on programme calling for a reusable unmanned aircraft with M6.0 speeds. At that speed, intelligence can be gathered or weapons delivered before enemy air defenses are even alerted.

Both AFRL and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) have been after a low-speed ramjet for years. The agencies’ HTV-3X programme demonstrated that a ramjet that could operate below M3.0. That inspired Lockheed to partner with Aerojet Rocketdyne to develop a way to use off-the shelf engines like the F100 or F110 for short bursts of acceleration beyond M2.2 in an attempt to close the gap between the two propulsion technologies.

asset image
“This study is asking whether we can use existing technologies to create a dual-mode ramjet that in theory can light up at Mach 2 to 2.5,” Bartolotta says. “The key to this whole effort is whether we can do it and finding the required technologies so we can plan for a programme in which we can spend some major dollars.”

The problem with hypersonic propulsion has always been the gap between the highest speed capability of a turbojet and the lowest speed of a ramjet. Most ramjets cannot achieve ignition below M4.0. Turbine engines typically can accelerate to only M2.2, below speeds at which a ramjet could take over and continue acceleration.

Therefore, NASA and Lockheed must either develop a turbine engine that can accelerate to M4.0, or a ramjet that can function at speeds within a turbine engine’s envelope, Bartolotta says.

“We’re looking for a turbine-based combined system where at low speeds you have a turbine providing power, then at higher speeds a ramjet or scramjet takes over,” he says. “We want to be able to go up to Mach 7 then transition back to the turbine to land it on a runway and recover it. The problem is how you can get the vehicle to fly fast enough to ignite the DMRJ and then have the DMRJ take over.”

NASA is considering several existing turbofan engines for use in the project, including the Pratt and Whitney F100-PW-229 that powers both the Boeing F-15 and Lockheed Martin F-16, among other aircraft. The General Electric F414 used by the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet also is being studied, along with the supersonic turbine engine for long range (STELR) engine conceived by the Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL).

If the study is successful, NASA wants to fund a demonstration programme. Lockheed would test the dual-mode ramjet in a flight research vehicle, and try to find solutions to issues like engine packaging and designing the thermal management system, Bartolotta says.

“We’re doing this at a lower Mach number so we need to figure out what are the issues for cocooning the turbine, what do we need to do to reignite that turbine once we come down from hypersonic speeds,” Bartolotta says.

Photos courtesy of Lockheed Martin.
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(and sounds pretty official to me)

Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC).
can be used with it a ship far eventualy other can fire collaborating but also usefull for a ship which would not have some type of missiles by ex. SM-2 one other ships can do fire for protect him then.
 
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