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AndrewS

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Clearly triggered by discussions on this forum. Except, where did anyone here make the claim/statement that the US will never produce UADF class drones? Every conversation even those that disparage and mock the US efforts specifically focused on the level of Increment 1 CCA drones which the US have not even been able to field into service yet.

No doubt the US is looking to develop and eventually field UADF class drones as part of Increment 2 which BTW aims to have flying prototypes around 2027. Lockheed Martin's own words and goals, not mine.

So we have China with at least 2 UADFs in service today vs US aiming to produce equivalents and flying prototypes of said equivalents in 2027. Even then, the Northrop Grumman Increment 2 Lotus UADF is not aiming to produce a tailless aircraft. Nevermind that, there are distinct disadvantages surely with going completely tailless - cost, complexity and kinematic performance.

NAFO copium and cries of frustration are getting out of hand. They will double down on anger and denial until some great event. Even then, I suspect they will be as delusional and out of touch with reality as the most hyper-nationalistic Indians.

If anyone checks out that thread and reads up on the X-47B and the claim that it's the most advanced combat drone to have flown. How does anyone possibly know that. All that statement and belief does is signal an amazing degree of bias and unwillingness to assess things logically. The X-47B may well be the most advanced drone to have flown but it numbers exactly 0. Someone else could quite easily claim UADF A and B are the most advanced drones to have flown. At least those two are in active service or at least with the PLAAF in training and doctrine development.

Increment 2 is 7-10 years behind UADF A and B if they are producing similar level performing aircraft. Something coming out that much later does have several inherent advantages provided the industrial and technological base between the two sides progress at the same rate and offer the same level of capabilities in a certain timeframe. The issue with feeling good about Increment 2 UADFs for the USAF is that China is also working on next generation UADFs. It'll be China's second gen when the Increment 2s become the USAF's first gen. Recognising these things separate the blowhards with those simply biased but still capable of critical and rational thought.

All the Mr. Muh Murica Bigly Bestest online are never going to wake up but the world simply moves on. The US is about to collapse under the greatest economic bubble ever created in human history and they still believe the US MIC can be fed the usual feast.


Look at what China is developing in terms of air dominance aircraft which all have broadband stealth:

J-36. 3engines. 2 pilots
J-50. 2engines. 1? pilot
UADF-Type A. 1engine. Unmanned
UADF-Type B. 1engine. Unmanned

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But if the CCA Increment 2 aircraft [Lockheed Vectis and Northrop Lotus] still have tailfins, presumably they will be easily detected by long-wave volume search radars. Then the Chinese aircraft should be able to get the first shots off and disengage without being detected.

So my view is that Air Dominance now requires broadband stealth, so the Vectis and Lotus are **critically** inferior in the Air Dominance role.

Btw, plarealtalk (on that reddit thread) is one of the mods here
 

AndrewS

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Vectis is tailless, nothing is known about Lotus yet but I don't expect it to be anything less than Lockheed's proposal.

TWZ is saying the Lotus has tails.

So for CCA Increment 2, my guess the US would buy both the Vectis and Lotus, because they are in different categories.

Given that the Pentagon has already publicly stated there is a shortage of aerospace engineers, it makes sense to only develop different CCAs that they will definitely proceed with, and not waste development resources on directly competing designs which will be binned after a competition.
 
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