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Jura

General
We don't need "LIGHT ATTACK AIRCRAFT", that's just another "piss ant" program to take away funding and distract from the big picture! the Air Force is NOT gonna buy a bunch of "gnats"!
well the money involved are very small (below 100m), to the point I thought I'd stop following this, but then noticed about SF (I meant the post you quoted) which I thought was cool LOL
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
well the money involved are very small (below 100m), to the point I thought I'd stop following this, but then noticed about SF (I meant the post you quoted) which I thought was cool LOL
Afghanistan won't ever operate their light attack fighters to effect, hell, Iraq should have gotten the light attack fighter rather than F-16's, the USAF doesn't need another piss ant project to take up the time and energy of warfighters, not to mention the bales of money this little fart will cost to position, squadron and operate, hell, you'll be hauling these little bastards every where in the back of C-130's
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
We don't need "LIGHT ATTACK AIRCRAFT", that's just another "piss ant" program to take away funding and distract from the big picture! the Air Force is NOT gonna buy a bunch of "gnats"!
well the money involved are very small (below 100m), to the point I thought I'd stop following this, but then noticed about SF (I meant the post you quoted) which I thought was cool LOL
The one mission the USAF would have for them is fighting Afghanistan... but we lost. Didn’t have the commanders, didn’t have the allies. The negotiations are a joke.
Iraqis with them would have been just as useless.
So what are they for?
Big air force doesn’t want them Socom and USMC does.
Socom would love to
hell, you'll be hauling these little bastards every where in the back of C-130's
they do that today with AH6 and MH6 little birds. Find a rough field drop 24thSTS to check it see if it will take a Hurc Landing. Land the Hurc drop the ramp roll the Little bird out unfold the rotors arm them fuel them and unleash them upon the enemy.

But they can’t do that with these birds the wings don’t fold. What they would do if they had them?
Fly them with a C130 land the set set up a FARP fuel and load for attack.

What else?
Use them to train allies in COIN ops.
Counter insurgents schools in hopes they have better luck than we did.
 

Jura

General
Oct 27, 2018
Yesterday at 9:18 PM
now noticed a long one:
Navy's Next Gen Jammer Is Three Pods, Not One, And Competition For One Of Them Just Heated Up
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partly related is
Navy, Boeing Studying Block II Version of EA-18G Growler Electronic Attack Aircraft
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Boeing is in the wrap-up stages of a trade study and architecture assessment of an upgrade — called Block II — to the Navy’s EA-18G Growler electronic attack aircraft. The upgrade is an effort to enable the EA-18G to keep up with the dynamic electronic warfare threats.

“It makes sense that we would take something that was designed in the ‘90s and now enhance it to be relevant for decades to come,” said Jennifer Tebo, Boeing’s director of development for the F/A-18 and EA-18G, speaking to reporters May 7 at the Navy League’s Sea-Air-Space exposition.

“The current thinking on that is that it is a retrofit program,” Tebo said. “There is no official new-build Growler Block II. We will continue to work with the Navy to determine what those needs are, how we might incorporate them into a new build. We’re thinking of a retrofit program that would deliver capability in the 2025 timeframe. We’ve already starting work in earnest and early this year got initial funding from the Navy to start moving to the [System Functional Requirements] phase by the end of this year to deliver that capability on time.”

Tebo said that the Growler Block II enhancements will include some of the upgrades of the Super Hornet Block III program, plus “enhanced sensitivity through the modernization of the sensors on the platform. … It’s about adaptive and distributive processing, having big computers to process and be able to react to the threats that are out there today and into the future.”

“It’s also about enhancing the crew-vehicle interface,” Tebo added. “As the Growler crews get more and more information into the cockpit, they’re going to need a way to reduce the workload to be able to digest and use it effectively. All of that is accomplished through software-defined radios that are enabled through a flexible and adaptable hardware architecture.”

Tebo said the infrastructure and the architecture will “allow us to continually evolve capability as the threat dynamic changes. The life of the Growler is very, very long. We’re setting this up for the Navy to be able to continue add capability rapidly to the Growler.

“It’s been a joint effort and it will evolve as we pin down the requirements,” she said.

She confirmed that the Next-Generation Jammer and the mid-band and low-band jammers “are considered part of the future of the Growler and Growler Block II.”

Boeing’s concept of Block II includes the conformal fuel tanks being included in the Super Hornet Block III, but “the Navy will have to decide,” she said.

Also to be decided is whether the Growler will go through a service life-extension program. The Super Hornet fleet is going through a service-life extension from 6,000 flight hours to 10,000 hours. “That is to be decided,” Tebo said. “The Growler has a 7,500-hour service life compared to 6,000-hour life of the Super Hornet. [The Growler] has not finished its service-life assessment program yet.”
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
to stop "using F-22s with rockets to shoot someone off a bicycle"

(now quoted the acting Secretary of the Navy, December 6, 2018:
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perhaps? oh wait, they'll use the F-35s for this
First neither Raptors or Lightning carry Rocket pods as yet. Small diameter bombs sure, JDAM okay no rocket pods.

And Well then gee they seem so useful... in fighting the wars we are not fighting anymore.
Afghanistan has A29 Super Tucanos we have them to them trained their pilots and armed them.
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But what good are they when the pilots we bring here to train go AWOL and the armies it’s supposed to support flee the field? And yet for twice the price of operating a F16 squadron we maintain them.

Or perhaps Iraq oh wait the Air Force isn’t there and they have the L159 a very good attack trainer from the Czech Republic.

So where? Syria perhaps? Except that the US is backing some groups well others are backed by Russia, as such these little trainers would find themselves on the wrong end of air defense systems from Russia.
And a turboprop vs a S300 is a pilot walking home.
Even insertion of SF teams into Syria at times justified use of Stealth hawks.

Besides the best COIN birds on the planet already are in the USAF. A10,AC130, and MQ9.
A10 because against modern air defenses it’s a dead duck. Same for AC130.
In Syria strikes were done by Raptors and Lightning mostly as rapid call ins much of its job though is to deconflict to chase off Russian bombers from making strikes against US backed forces.

US SOCOM has a mission for them aiding US backed nations and as such they are justified for AFSOC but the big forces?
 

B.I.B.

Senior Member
We don't need "LIGHT ATTACK AIRCRAFT", that's just another "piss ant" program to take away funding and distract from the big picture! the Air Force is NOT gonna buy a bunch of "gnats"!
Seventy yrs ago you guys offered to build our National Highway at cost and interest free(i think).For some reason we turned it down, so maybe you might flick us those LAA's for free so we can have some fun.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
Seventy yrs ago you guys offered to build our National Highway at cost and interest free(i think).For some reason we turned it down, so maybe you might flick us those LAA's for free so we can have some fun.
Well maybe you and I could both inherit one Bub, we could have so serious fun with a "two ship", I love the airplane, so please don't get me wrong?? its just a time and money waster for the USAF!
 

Jura

General
First neither Raptors or Lightning carry Rocket pods as yet. Small diameter bombs sure, JDAM okay no rocket pods.

And Well then gee they seem so useful... in fighting the wars we are not fighting anymore.
Afghanistan has A29 Super Tucanos we have them to them trained their pilots and armed them.
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But what good are they when the pilots we bring here to train go AWOL and the armies it’s supposed to support flee the field? And yet for twice the price of operating a F16 squadron we maintain them.

Or perhaps Iraq oh wait the Air Force isn’t there and they have the L159 a very good attack trainer from the Czech Republic.

So where? Syria perhaps? Except that the US is backing some groups well others are backed by Russia, as such these little trainers would find themselves on the wrong end of air defense systems from Russia.
And a turboprop vs a S300 is a pilot walking home.
Even insertion of SF teams into Syria at times justified use of Stealth hawks.

Besides the best COIN birds on the planet already are in the USAF. A10,AC130, and MQ9.
A10 because against modern air defenses it’s a dead duck. Same for AC130.
In Syria strikes were done by Raptors and Lightning mostly as rapid call ins much of its job though is to deconflict to chase off Russian bombers from making strikes against US backed forces.

US SOCOM has a mission for them aiding US backed nations and as such they are justified for AFSOC but the big forces?
maybe I'm General (*) Preparing For The Last War

(*) armchair
 

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