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TerraN_EmpirE

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People get that wrong I think.

In the 1970s Okay there was military tech and then Civilian tech. Because of the rarity of access. Today the border doenst exist. It's a question of speciality. Some technologies just don't meet civilian needs.
Sure you have things like a generation gap between night vision and electro optics in the military vs civil applications but how often do civilians own such? Not that often.
 

hkbc

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And what's to stop someone else from building their own supergun?
If you read all the various articles doing the rounds this is an aspiration not a reality, it's pretty much click bait, the so called super gun only exists in the imagination. The track record of US Army artillery programs wouldn't fill any one with confidence that a 1000 mile gun is arriving any time soon!
 
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LCS Mission Package Office Focused On Test, Fielding; IOC Dates Continue to Slip
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"Originally slated as the last to deploy, the anti-submarine warfare mission package will now be the second to reach IOC."

tragicomic how they swap their imaginary dates:

Jan 12, 2018
keep dreaming about some vaporware and in the meantime check this:

about two and a half years ago, inside the USNI News (note the end of September below)
May 16, 2015
news of the USN LCS mine-sweeping ("which I tried to cover here"
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/littoral-combat-ships-lcs.t3993/page-75#post-336653
SASC Cuts LCS Mine Countermeasures Funding Citing Concerns About Upcoming IOT&E

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... Program Executive Officer for LCS Rear Adm. Brian Antonio ...
Overall, though, he was optimistic about achieving IOC by the end of September.

“We’ve proven that the systems work,” he said.
“Will we have issues every now and then? Yes we will. Some of these systems have been in development a long time, it’s time to bring them together and do the end-to-end run and prove them out.”

today,
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Capt. Ted Zobel, the program manager for all three LCS mission modules. ...
... the
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(MCM) module will enter testing in 2020, reach Initial Operational Capability on Independence variants by late 2020 or early 2021, and IOC on Freedom variants by late ’21.
see? then-PEO "was optimistic about achieving IOC" in 2015


anyway here's what I've asked in the LCS Thread recently and I still want to know:
tell me why the Pentagon operates unarmed LCSs instead
I've been following this LCS circus for years, I've read most of texts on it available in Internet, chest-thumping, detractors, official, whatever,
and I just don't know
 
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... expects the Army to hit a critical turning point in the next four years.
On the current course – barring an unforeseen crisis like a war – the Army will reach its readiness goal, having two-thirds of the force at maximum combat readiness at all times, by 2022."

OK
 
Wednesday at 8:42 PM
now reread Jul 7, 2018
(just in case:
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Pompeo Issues Stern Warning to Venezuelan Military
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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo warned Venezuela's military and security forces Thursday to avoid any actions against the self-declared interim president and U.S. diplomats or risk a U.S. response.

"We call on all Venezuelan security forces to ensure the protection of interim president [Juan} Guaido's physical integrity and his safety," Pompeo said at a meeting of the Organization of American States in Washington, D.C.

Pompeo earlier had rejected President Nicolas Maduro's threat Wednesday to expel U.S. diplomats within 72 hours. Venezuela broke relations with the U.S. after President Donald Trump announced that the U.S. was recognizing the 35-year-old Guaido as interim president.

Pompeo noted that several deaths and more than a hundred arrests were recorded in massive demonstrations in Caracas and across the country Wednesday in support of Guaido.

The non-profit Venezuelan Observatory of Social Conflict said that at least 12 protesters were killed Wednesday, all of them by gunshots.

"So I reiterate our warning about any decision by remnant elements of the Maduro regime to suppress the peaceful democratic transition," Pompeo said.

There were no immediate signs that the Venezuelan military was prepared to break with Maduro as had been hoped by Guaido. Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino Lopez declared the loyalty of the
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to Maduro and charged that Guaido was attempting to mount a coup.

Padrino and several generals joined Maduro at a news conference to show support. Padrino said Venezuelans would not back a "de facto parallel government" led by Guaido, the president of the National Assembly.

"It's not a war between Venezuelans that will solve our problems," he said. "It's dialogue."

Maduro also received support Thursday from Russia and China, which have extensive investments in Venezuela, in moves that could possibly set up a major power struggle for influence in the region with the U.S.

A Tweet from the Kremlin said that Russian President Vladimir Putin had phoned Maduro Thursday and "expressed his support for the legitimate Venezuelan authorities."

Following Guaido's declaration Wednesday that he would serve as interim president, Trump announced that the U.S. was recognizing him as Venezuela's leader.

"The people of Venezuela have courageously spoken out against Maduro and his regime and demanded freedom and the rule of law," he said.

In 2017, Trump warned that a "military option" was possible to depose Maduro in oil-rich Venezuela, once the most prosperous nation in Latin America but now an economic ruin. The State Department has estimated that about three million Venezuelans desperate for food and medical aid have fled to neighboring countries.

At a White House meeting Wednesday, Trump said in response to reporters' questions that "we're not considering anything but all options on the table. All options, always, all options are on the table."
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
If you read all the various articles doing the rounds this is an aspiration not a reality, it's pretty much click bait, the so called super gun only exists in the imagination. The track record of US Army artillery programs wouldn't fill any one with confidence that a 1000 mile gun is arriving any time soon!
The longest Range of a gun fired was Project HARP it fired out a projectile 180km from a modified 16 inch naval gun and was an American Canadian program.
It's inventor Gerard Bull used technologies from it to invent the GC 45 which in turn was sold to South Africa which in turn was sold to China becoming the basis for the Chinese 155mm guns.
He then tried to produce his dream gun sadly for the Iraqis. The Babylon Project seems aptly named. A Space Gun with a projected range of 1000Km or almost 625 miles from a gun in the 350mm bore and 30meter long barrel.. Of course the Iraqis with such a weapon was a red line for some one likely Israel. Bull was killed many believe by Massad to prevent completion of the project.
There was said to be in The drawing board a even bigger version of Babylon twice the length 60 meters and a 600mm bore.

My point is that it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. The problems are the cost of the program. This is a very expensive gun built in segments and specially at that to.
Limitations of the gun and ammo vs utility. A 60 meter long barrel can't just be fitted to a turret. It's basically mounted and fixed in place each shot demands specialized loading and maintence. The projectile is under tremendous pressure and stress as it is fired. Far more than of a missile.

I don't see the super gun as more than an experiment.
As a weapon it might be cool but impractical. Fixed position, limited elevation no traverse, Slow rate of fire. Fixed range.
 

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