US F/A-XX and F-X & NGAD - 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread

[Blitzo]

Now that I think about it, I don't even think the F-47 will come to fruition. Trump is out in 2028. Most likely, a democrat with a bone to pick larger than a T-Rex femur will come into the White House. His team will absolutely tear up the design of the Trump Mega MAGAtard battleship and they will make changes to the F-47 that will "scrap" the project and carry over all usable designs to the "F-48" project or something just to make sure Trump doesn't get his number on it. I believe that the US will still come up with a 6th gen fighter in the 2030's, but the presidential transition will further delay it from current plans and put China further ahead in the race.

That's unlikely.

There's nothing about F-47 that has the same "wtf" characteristics as the Trump class battleship. Arguably only the designation has the effect of Trump's presidency on it (47) -- but as a design, based on the progression of the NGAD program from the 2010s, early 2020s through to 2025 when the F-47 program was awarded --- it all has been fairly sensible.

The NGAD/F-47 program itself is unlikely to have been greatly affected by Trump's presidency; he wouldn't even have had enough time to mess with it from when he entered office.

Remember F-47 was awarded to Boeing in March 2025 after years (over a decade!) of cumulative R&D and various tech demonstrator progress, and Trump only entered office in January 2025.

 

[Aniah]

That's unlikely.

There's nothing about F-47 that has the same "wtf" characteristics as the Trump class battleship. Arguably only the designation has the effect of Trump's presidency on it (47) -- but as a design, based on the progression of the NGAD program from the 2010s, early 2020s through to 2025 when the F-47 program was awarded --- it all has been fairly sensible.

The NGAD/F-47 program itself is unlikely to have been greatly affected by Trump's presidency; he wouldn't even have had enough time to mess with it from when he entered office.

Remember F-47 was awarded to Boeing in March 2025 after years (over a decade!) of cumulative R&D and various tech demonstrator progress, and Trump only entered office in January 2025.

That man still has 3 more years to grift. Knowing his ego, I won't vote out the idea that he will potentially do something stupid and mess with the F-47 even further.

 

[Blitzo]

That man still has 3 more years to grift. Knowing his ego, I won't vote out the idea that he will potentially do something stupid and mess with the F-47 even further.

While the possibility cannot be ruled out, I have a feeling his attention is so fleeting and disorganized that he's probably already forgotten about the project.

For the purposes of discussion, there's no reason to think F-47 will get the "Trump class battleship"-treatment

 

[manqiangrexue]

That's unlikely.

There's nothing about F-47 that has the same "wtf" characteristics as the Trump class battleship. Arguably only the designation has the effect of Trump's presidency on it (47) -- but as a design, based on the progression of the NGAD program from the 2010s, early 2020s through to 2025 when the F-47 program was awarded --- it all has been fairly sensible.

The NGAD/F-47 program itself is unlikely to have been greatly affected by Trump's presidency; he wouldn't even have had enough time to mess with it from when he entered office.

Remember F-47 was awarded to Boeing in March 2025 after years (over a decade!) of cumulative R&D and various tech demonstrator progress, and Trump only entered office in January 2025.

I'm not saying it looks like the battleship abomination but I am saying that politics over the F-47 designation will end up slowing the program down. Democrats will want to change the designation, and they won't want to say that it should be changed because screw 47. So they'll need to come up with some subtle changes to justify that this program, which Trump started, was killed and another started, hence the new name.

I also wouldn't rule out Trump going apeshit in his last half year demanding that the program be accelerated to completion and they just put whatever they have together and call it done in order to say that he oversaw the fastest build time of the world's most lethal fighter. It may end up with a botched product or it may simply not be completed but end up with more and more problems from rushing, causing the program to be scraped and reopened under a different name. The democrats would then say that Trump's F-47 was dead in the water before it took off due to the managing incompetence of his team and they had to do alot of it over.

Like I said, I do think the US will come up with a 6th gen fighter, but slightly to moderately delayed due to politics. The abomination class battleship will probably just be entirely scrapped and laughed away. That's different.

 

[TK3600]

That's unlikely.

There's nothing about F-47 that has the same "wtf" characteristics as the Trump class battleship. Arguably only the designation has the effect of Trump's presidency on it (47) -- but as a design, based on the progression of the NGAD program from the 2010s, early 2020s through to 2025 when the F-47 program was awarded --- it all has been fairly sensible.

The NGAD/F-47 program itself is unlikely to have been greatly affected by Trump's presidency; he wouldn't even have had enough time to mess with it from when he entered office.

Remember F-47 was awarded to Boeing in March 2025 after years (over a decade!) of cumulative R&D and various tech demonstrator progress, and Trump only entered office in January 2025.

Naming capital ship after president is normal. No WTF needed.

 

[Blitzo]

I'm not saying it looks like the battleship abomination but I am saying that politics over the F-47 designation will end up slowing the program down. Democrats will want to change the designation, and they won't want to say that it should be changed because screw 47. So they'll need to come up with some subtle changes to justify that this program, which Trump started, was killed and another started, hence the new name.

I also wouldn't rule out Trump going apeshit in his last half year demanding that the program be accelerated to completion and they just put whatever they have together and call it done in order to say that he oversaw the fastest build time of the world's most lethal fighter. It may end up with a botched product or it may simply not be completed but end up with more and more problems from rushing, causing the program to be scraped and reopened under a different name. The democrats would then say that Trump's F-47 was dead in the water before it took off due to the managing incompetence of his team and they had to do alot of it over.

Like I said, I do think the US will come up with a 6th gen fighter, but slightly to moderately delayed due to politics. The abomination class battleship will probably just be entirely scrapped and laughed away. That's different.

I very much doubt that the name/designation would be an issue.
The democrats ultimately recognize that F-47 is important for US military strength, and the idea that they would carry out an unforced error like wanting to change the name and thus possibly impede the program, seems like wishful thinking.

Now, it is possible that politics may delay the F-47 -- but I don't think it would be F-47 specific controversies but probably general military funding debates/priorities. It is also possible that general program management/technology issues causes some delays as well (though that applies to every program ever in any nation)


Until such a point that elements in the US govt/military actually carry out an unforced error wrt F-47, it's probably better to avoid wishcasting the idea that they would make such a specific mistake.

Naming capital ship after president is normal. No WTF needed.

Is this another joke of yours?

Because I wasn't saying that the name of the battleship class is the "wtf" characteristics -- rather it is the entire concept of the Trump class battleship being a 35-40k ton montrosity with a rail gun, two Mk-45 five inch guns, while only carrying 128 Mk-41 cells and only 12 CPS cells, and overall abandoning the prior goals for the reasonably sensible DDGX.

That is what is "wtf" about the Trump class. I could care less about the name, and I am confused as to why you think my post was about the name rather than everything else materially about the program.

 

[TK3600]

Is this another joke of yours?

Because I wasn't saying that the name of the battleship class is the "wtf" characteristics -- rather it is the entire concept of the Trump class battleship being a 35-40k ton montrosity with a rail gun, two Mk-45 five inch guns, while only carrying 128 Mk-41 cells and only 12 CPS cells, and overall abandoning the prior goals for the reasonably sensible DDGX.

That is what is "wtf" about the Trump class. I could care less about the name, and I am confused as to why you think my post was about the name rather than everything else materially about the program.

The context was with the name with F-47 versus Trump class per Manqiang was saying. You did not explain what the WTF characteristics are so I assumed it was the name you are talking about.

I'm not saying it looks like the battleship abomination but I am saying that politics over the F-47 designation will end up slowing the program down. Democrats will want to change the designation, and they won't want to say that it should be changed because screw 47. So they'll need to come up with some subtle changes to justify that this program, which Trump started, was killed and another started, hence the new name.

I am saying unlike the F-47, naming ships with Trump's name is actually the normal thing to do. If not battleship it will be a carrier some day. Anyways it is getting offtopic.

 

[Blitzo]

The context was with the name with F-47 versus Trump class per Manqiang was saying. You did not explain what the WTF characteristics are so I assumed it was the name you are talking about.

If was pretty obvious if you followed the conversation.

In #1560, Manqiangrexue raised the topic of the Trump class battleship, and talked about democrats in future might tear "tear up the design of the Trump Mega MAGAtard battleship" and how similarly the "they will make changes to the F-47 that will "scrap" the project and carry over all usable designs to the "F-48" project or something".

(bolded emphasis mine).

Therefore, when in #1561 I replied saying:
"That's unlikely.

There's nothing about F-47 that has the same "wtf" characteristics as the Trump class battleship. Arguably only the designation has the effect of Trump's presidency on it (47) -- but as a design, based on the progression of the NGAD program from the 2010s, early 2020s through to 2025 when the F-47 program was awarded --- it all has been fairly sensible."

-- it should have been fairly obvious that the "wtf characteristics" were in context of the design of the Trump class and F-47 class respectively given I was replying to that prior post.

I then added on it by saying that the Trump administration probably were not able to change much, if anything about the NGAD/F-47, apart from selecting its name, but that its actual design and characteristics were not malleable in the time that they had entered office for.


Besides, even if you didn't read the prior post, surely common sense would have caused you to do a double take if you interpreted that myself or anyone else would have thought that of all the "wtf characteristics" of the Trump class battleship, that him putting his name on it is the most odd thing about it? (As opposed to say, everything else about the Trump class???)
Surely it wouldn't have seemed right to you, and the logical step is to first re-read the conversation to check if the first interpretation is correct to begin with?

 

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It's about time, hopefully they don't delay it again. Very interested to know which company was chosen.