US conflict in the Americas

Maikeru

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Well now, this is a very different thing to seizing a Chinese flagged and/or openly Chinese owned vessel. I doubt this was an intended provocation directed at China. However, given the recent $11bn arms sale to Taiwan it may be that China takes this as an additional provocation when calculating its retaliation.
 

CrazyHorse

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Apparently the centuries was part of the shadow fleet operating under a Panamanian flag

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Pretty much all shipping is “a shadow fleet” if being flagged in Panama is a factor, basically every large ocean going vessel is flagged in Panama, Liberia, or a couple other nations. On paper, Panama has one of the largest merchant fleets in the world!
 

JJD1803

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It’s pretty clear with this blockade Trump is trying to goad Venezuela to retaliate so he can have his causus belli to attack Venezuela. Venezuela is between a rock and hard place. If they do nothing their economy get suffocated. If they retaliate they give Trump an excuse to do air strikes. At this point Venezuela has to escort the ships. According to international “law,” a blockade is an act of war and Venezuela are within their rights to retaliate. However we will live in the post October 7th and Russo-Ukraine war world where the west killed international law.
 

sheogorath

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Pretty much all shipping is “a shadow fleet” if being flagged in Panama is a factor, basically every large ocean going vessel is flagged in Panama, Liberia, or a couple other nations. On paper, Panama has one of the largest merchant fleets in the world!
I think its even more basic than that. "Shadow fleet" basically refers to any ship not insured through western insurers(and thus subject to pressure), thats all there is to this whole bs.

The name is just trying to imply it is some organized fleet owned by some Ru or Cn entity not a parallel system consequence of the west's own weaponization of its financial mechanisms.
 
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blackforest

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The Americans have engaged in outright piracy, just like Jack Sparrow. A Chinese tanker that was not under any sanctions was seized off the coast of Venezuela. Beijing's reaction is interesting.
 

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iBBz

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The Americans have engaged in outright piracy, just like Jack Sparrow. A Chinese tanker that was not under any sanctions was seized off the coast of Venezuela. Beijing's reaction is interesting.
This is how the US rogue state has always operated. You either have the military power to secure your resources, or the US swoops in and takes them. If China wants to freely trade with Latin America, they will have to have military infrastructure in there. If they try to utilize their manufacturing capacity as leverage, they will force the US to go elsewhere just like the US forced them to develop domestic solutions. As Brian Berletic said, the Russian tankers randomly blowing up on the high seas were merely a beta-tester to see how much they can get away with. Now it has spilled to China and will only get worse.
 
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