@sheogorath bro Poland had a border dispute with Ukraine , so is Moldova and Rumania?
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@Phead128 bro how about the promise given to Gorbachev about NATO expansion, especially when he approved the unification of Germany , so who cheated, the naivety of the Russian or the crookedness of the West?
And it was Russian version of hundred years of Humiliation, Yeltsin will be known as the one who overseen its collapse. The recognition is based on a neutral Ukraine not a puppet of the west.
For Russian and Ukrainian it was their cradle of civilization, the foundation of the Slavic race. Just like all of us Hua Qiao (oversea Chinese), we always look back to our ancestors for guidance and kinship.
Bro through blood and tears especially in Crimea, you're not Russian and so am I, BUT from @gelgoog post it is comparable. Crimea is in Russian hand while Taiwan is not. So the impetus is more on the Chinese.
I'm going to watch this thread and see if it remains civil. If so, I'll contribute. I had a very different POV from the average person as I was getting live updates during the first phase of the Donbas conflict from friends and, yes, family in the Donestk area (being vague for for good reasons). However, if this is a another grandstanding, chest thumping fest, I'll just watch.
In the mean time, so pop mil analysis (kinda like a pop sci article) of what Russia may do:
In the mean time, so pop mil analysis (kinda like a pop sci article) of what Russia may do:
The NATO's promise to Gorbachev to not-expand is a VERBAL PROMISE and means nothing in geopolitics.
Whereas s signed by Russia/US/UK in exchange for Ukraine giving up nuclear weapons is an international treaty that Russia clearly violated by annexing Crimea.
Those are not remotely comparable.
And why are you doing Russian propaganda when even Chinese Foreign Ministry does not recognize Crimea as part of Russian Federation?
China does NOT recognize Crimea as part of Russia and recognizes Ukraine as a sovereign independent nation, so stop doing Russian propaganda and their bidding. You can (correctly) attack Western aggression, but you also have to be fair and call out Russian attempts at intimidation/aggression against Ukraine (even if you think it's a "Puppet" of West), it is still a sovereign independent nation.
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Not recognizing and asbter are different concepts. In the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262 vote on the annexation of Crimea, China - a country that values the internal non-interference of another country - abstained from voting. This question of whether or not to recognize Crimea as part of Russia for the Chinese carries no weight when we look at their foreign policy. Stop this.
Biden himself urged Ukraine to respect Donbass' autonomy as agreed in the Minsk Protocol, in which Ukraine violated and continues to violate with the help of the West itself, even though Western countries have legitimized the Minsk Protocol through the OSCE.
As with all countries in the world, China does not recognise and "does not recognize"
In this case, China "does not recognise". As @Matheus S said, China abstained from voting. If China wanted to say, do not recognise, then it would just vote
The vote is a sham. It doesn't change anything unless China decided to apply major pressure on Russia (wouldn't happen in a million years). Why should China grandstand and actually vote?
So it abstained and let the US and the EU to deal with the mess
China did not say anything about Crimea. That is vastly different from "recognizing or not recognizing".
Recognizing Ukraine as sovereign state is not equal to recognizing the border of that state. China could (even for just pissing off US) recognize an Ukraine excluding Donbas and Crimea.
Before calling others doing Russian propaganda, you need to ask yourself if you are doing the American propaganda. Ukraine since the color "revolution" was getting more and more hostile to China, the latest example is robbing China's money. Why should China defend Ukraine's territory integrity? Why shouldn't China make an example out of Ukraine? I am not saying China should do it right now, but we certainly should keep that card on the table.
US and NATO countries certainly violated Serbia's sovereignty by forcefully broke away Kosovo from Serbia. So why is Russia any worse than UK and US etc.?
Remember the Chinese saying "你做了初一，就别怪我做十五". That was exactly what the Russian did and China has nothing against that.
Why are you so supporting US, UK and their Ukrainian puppet?
Straight from the Chinese Foreign Ministry's mouth.
The Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Le YuCheng already told the Ukrainian Deputy Foreign Minister that China does not recognize the illegal occupation of Crimea.
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