Ukrainian War Developments

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james smith esq

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Given the unprecedented confusion around the election, it would not have been clear to any foreign observer skeptical of the robustness of american political mechanisms whether trump would still be in the whitehouse in February 2021, until Biden actually swore in, and trump , still swearing, was physically out.
There’s no precedent, yet, for any issues with the peaceful transfer of power in US Presidential Elections. So, any skepticism would’ve been speculative.

Should foreign observers also be skeptical of Xi’s third-term?
 
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foxmulder

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Correct in concept, not in application. That is why Russia fights instead of allowing Ukraine to be poisoned.

Real tough talk for a country that became too scared to even transfer free jets to Ukraine the second Putin's nuclear forces stepped outside for some sun.

But Russia has them, so moot point, isn't it? Russia doesn't fight its enemies like it does its brothers in Ukraine. Tu-160, FOAB, PAK-FA, T-14, none of them have come out to play this gentle game. They are waiting for NATO missteps; if you dare, you will see a different fighter in Russia. Problem is you don't dare.

If Trump was in power, he'd be congratulating Putin and asking for advice on picking a Slavic name for his next grandchild. But hey, I don't blame you for ragging on your failed democratic system. Just don't try to sell that garbage to China.

The dumb person is the one who's trying to look tough while failing, perhaps deliberately, to understand the sequence of threats. Putin invades Ukraine, NATO looks like it's gonna get up and do something, Putin flashes his nukes, and NATO sits back down like, "Sorry, was just scratching my ass, nothing else; please put those away." Putin wins.

Only a desperate fool would then try to talk like Putin wanted to nuke the US but then backed down due to American nukes.


You know what dude, funny thing is Russia does not even need to fire a single missile. Russia has so many nukes if they explode them *in* Russia, world would end. West lost whole understanding of power Russia has. Seriously, this social media/cancel culture/her mentality is menace to whole world. West lost whole plot.

West wants to hurt Russia so much that they are initiating a world wide recession and hurting themselves :) Both EU (read as Germany) and US will experience highest inflation of last 5-6 decades.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Russia has been making great progress these past two days.

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Are they really?

They just reframed their operation as just taking Donbass, a massive admission of defeat.

How does Ukraine even dare to make counter attacks when Russia should have air superiority?

Russia is losing big time with their extremely low armed force number of 200k. Even US used 700k in the gulf War. They used over 600 fighter jets and bombers.

Russia is probably using about 100 of their planes.

Russia simply doesn't have the forces necessary to fight Ukraine and win.

They should have mobilized their whole population for a much bigger war by now. They should have put atleast 600k ground force by mobilizing reserves.

But they haven't. So they are looking at a massive defeat. Ukraine will soon start to take over more land.

Russia needs to mobilize its population and fundamentally change its political orientation now if they hope to have any chance of winning.
 

Lapin

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So of you're one of the commanding officer responsible for the Russian military operation/invasion in Ukraine, what would your "humane" approach be like?

I have yet to read, witness any military operation that's absent any unintended, and intended civilian casualties from any wars committed by the literal virtue signaling country that is America.

War is inherently messy, extremely violent, and uncivilized way of conducting, and resolving political disagreements. If destroying a building, a block of city, town, cities etc...can expedite the end to hostilities by eliminating the opponents fighting force, morale, and will to fight then heck yeah that must be done militarily. The moment the use of force has been deployed, the debate on morality in my opinion is irrelevant because the very use, and employment of the use of arms is immoral. But to pussy foot around by denying your military force the best available method in not just ending the war, but the chance to save the lives of your soldiers is in my opinion deleterious and is deserving of death.
I had assumed that most writers here would agree that it's wrong (or at least disproportionately violent) to wipe out a city
just because a few enemies are believed to be somewhere in it. But perhaps there's no general agreement even on that.

I already have stated that I regard Russia's invasion of Ukraine as morally unjustified.
Depending upon my assigned role, I may attempt to get transferred to another position or, as a last resort, resign my command.

Near the beginning of the kamikaze operations, Admiral Ohnishi declared that any officer who refused to facilitate them would
face a court-martial. Nonetheless, at several Japanese commanders were conscientious objectors toward kamikaze operations.
For instance, Tadashi Minobe reportedly told Admiral Ohnishi to his face:
"First of all, suicide operations are outside [legitimate] military tactics. No commander should choose to employ them.
I have my own tactics and I am not going to obey you in using my unit for that purpose, sir!"
Tadashi Minobe was not court-martialed; he was transferred to command another unit.
 

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Satellite imaging shows that the Alligator-Class landing ship in Berdyansk has sunk after a fire and subsequent explosion broke out onboard; cause of the fire and subsequent explosion was likely due to an attack by a Ukrainian drone.

According to a Russian source fifty service members perished in the attack.

The remaining two Ropucha-Class landing ships in Berdyansk have returned back to Sevastopol in Crimea.
 

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pmc

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Are they really?

They just reframed their operation as just taking Donbass, a massive admission of defeat.

How does Ukraine even dare to make counter attacks when Russia should have air superiority?

Russia is losing big time with their extremely low armed force number of 200k. Even US used 700k in the gulf War. They used over 600 fighter jets and bombers.

Russia is probably using about 100 of their planes.

Russia simply doesn't have the forces necessary to fight Ukraine and win.

They should have mobilized their whole population for a much bigger war by now. They should have put atleast 600k ground force by mobilizing reserves.

But they haven't. So they are looking at a massive defeat. Ukraine will soon start to take over more land.

Russia needs to mobilize its population and fundamentally change its political orientation now if they hope to have any chance of winning.
Donbass borders are not settled. now after this is done. than picture will become clear.


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Russian news agencies quoted the defence ministry as saying that Russian-backed separatists now controlled 93% of Ukraine's Luhansk region and 54% of the Donetsk region - the two areas that jointly make up the Donbass.
The ministry said it did not rule out storming Ukrainian cities that had been blockaded and that Russia would react immediately to any attempt to close the airspace over Ukraine - something Kyiv has asked NATO to do, but NATO has resisted.
 
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