Ukrainian War Developments

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Phead128

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I like to think of it this way, to boil down the end result:

Putin has decided that Russia trying to be western wasn't working thanks to 20+ years of provocations, so he's going to make it fully eastern.

Now there needs to be a dividing line between east and west. Ukraine is simply a conflict over where that line will exactly fall.

BTW, sanctions work if you are the one selling irreplacable things and others need to buy from you. Russia is the one selling irreplacable resources though. how does stopping yourself from transacting electronic numbers for real resources you don't have, a punishment for others?

There's also more FDI in Russia than Russian FDI elsewhere. who were the geniuses that thought Russia wouldn't just take their stuff if they sanctioned Russia? In fact Russia can ONLY take their stuff as they are unable to pay for it except in rubles, thanks to their sanctions.
If I was Russia, I would demand:

(a) neutral treaty + Eastern Ukraine independent puppet state (East dneiper river) + LNR/DNR annex + Crimea recognition +Russia withdraw.

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(b) Replace entire Ukraine govt with new pro-Russia puppet regime and new constitution proclaiming neutrality+Russia troop withdraw.

So shift the new Iron curtain to Dnieper river or the Polish border. Just settling for 'paper treaty neutrality' by itself is a weak prize, because you literally have the capital surrounded and can demand far more.
 

Abominable

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The Russians have been claiming this for years now. Even if they had 100% evidence of it being true, it wouldn't change much.

I doubt an ethnic/racial bioweapon would ever be deployed, at least with our current understanding of microbiology. Do I think Americans (and other countries) have been experimenting with the concept today? Probably. We know both US and Soviet based labs during the cold war experimented with weaponised forms of pathogens, and some form of that exists to this day (see the 9/11 anthrax attacks). But unless there's a bigger power than America that can hold them to account, it makes zero difference.

It's also not going to justify their invasion to anyone who doesn't already agree with it. Ukrainians already have nazis in army uniform running around the country, what's a few US biolabs doing shady research going to do?

It may feed the American anti-vax crowd, but even they seem to be drinking the pro-Ukraine kool aid.
 

siegecrossbow

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I owe Indians an apology. I thought they were the the biggest liars in the world after the Galwan thing, but they're nowhere near. Ukrainians are by far the most prolific liars on the planet.

I think lying is just par for the course going forward. There is almost no repercussion for spouting lies.
 

Weaasel

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If I was Russia, I would demand:

(a) neutral treaty + Eastern Ukraine independent puppet state (East dneiper river) + LNR/DNR annex + Crimea recognition +Russia withdraw.

OR

(b) Replace entire Ukraine govt with new pro-Russia puppet regime and new constitution proclaiming neutrality+Russia troop withdraw.

So shift the new Iron curtain to Dnieper river or the Polish border. Just settling for 'paper treaty neutrality' by itself is a weak prize, because you literally have the capital surrounded and can demand far more.
You think Russia has the time and resources without significantly drawing away from others to implement the full extent of (a) that you have listed, let alone that of (b) which is much more costly?
 

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tokenanalyst

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I doubt an ethnic/racial bioweapon would ever be deployed, at least with our current understanding of microbiology. Do I think Americans (and other countries) have been experimenting with the concept today? Probably. We know both US and Soviet based labs during the cold war experimented with weaponised forms of pathogens, and some form of that exists to this day (see the 9/11 anthrax attacks). But unless there's a bigger power than America that can hold them to account, it makes zero difference.
I agree, even if was possible to make such pathogen it would just mutate and infect the rest of the human population, because humans are pretty much genetically equals, is pretty stupid. There are only few pathogens that are good for biological weapons, like anthrax which is an effective denial weapon.
But if those are just research labs, nothing harmless, why the U.S concern about Russia taking over those? i know misinformation is rampant in this war but is still pretty weird?
 

emblem21

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Son of a b$&@h. If this is true and the very hunch I have about the USA being the real creators of the coronavirus is true and this is used for the specific purpose of wiping out the Chinese people, this will be grounds for China/Russia m to use what ever means possible to bring the entire Anglo Saxon empire down no matter the cost. This is the scenario where if the USA ever lets its guard down, nukes should be used on ever USA military base and installation world wide until ever USA soldier is disintegrated forever. Should the USA truly wish to commit genocide upon the Chinese people while painting themselves as the heroes like the hypocritical f!?ks they are, as they have done so many times before, they should be very prepared to face the consequences that the exact same thing is going to happen in return for very good reason
 

Mohsin77

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On a more serious note besides the little bit of "unpleasantness" around Mariupol the Chechen forces this time has displayed quite a high standard of professionalism it seems. There are plenty of videos of them taking care of Ukrainian civilians and escorting them to shelters and stuff:

Chechens are to the Battlefield, what Khabib is to the UFC ring.

I heard a US Delta operator describe the Chechen fighters he faced in Afghanistan. He said the only fighters that the US SOF guys were concerned about in Afghanistan, were the Chechen foreign fighters. He said they were the only ones who actually knew what they were doing and behaved like professional soldiers, with proper discipline and tactics. And those guys were just militants. These Chechens are actual trained SOF operators with weapons & kit from the current century.
 
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