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Dannhill

Junior Member
A rather aggressive and optimistic post from Saker.
Herein is what US/NATO should have provided with the almost 1 year accusation of direct Russian arming of the militia because Saker/Cassad talks of the militia having a anti-ballistic missile defence system in place. Either they have it or the Russians are providing near-space missile cover for the militia.
As posted in a post earlier that Obama is mulling over providing more lethal arms to Kiev, then one can be sure that Russia will match the level of equipment provided. We should all remember Putin back in December declared he will not let the east Ukrainians be trampled by Kiev' punitive forces. Thus far, what Russia has supplied to the militia are stuff that cannot be immediately identified as advance equipment only coming from Russia. Even the TOS-1 is rumoured.

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Debaltsevo cauldron - still *not* closed:
According to Cassad, the cauldron is still not closed and I trust him. This being said, the Novorussians are holding the only highway out of the cauldron under their fire and they selectively allow some units to leave (medical, support & staff, for propaganda purposes) while destroying others (combat units). So even if the cauldron ain't quite closed, the junta forces are de-facto surrounded. See map (from Cassad):
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Novorussian air defenses:
Remember the Tochka-Us shot down over Saur Mogila? Auslander reported that they had been shot down by (non-Novo) Russian. Then recently, two junta Tochkas "broke up in mid air". This time around the Novorussians have admitted that they shot down at least one Tochka. See the photo (also from Cassad):
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Rear section of a Tochka-U ballistic missile
The interesting thing is that Cassad mentions the Russian short range air defense system
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as the system which might have shot down the Tochka. This is interesting for a number of reasons:
1) The Pantsir is a brand new Russian system. IF a Pantsir really did this, then the fact that the Novorussians are saying so basically means "Putin is arming us and we ain't even hiding it". A message to Kiev maybe?
2) The Pantsir is not supposed to be designed to shoot down ballistic missiles. IF a Pantsir really did this, then it proves that its real capabilities are far larger then its officially advertised ones.
3) If this was NOT a Pantsir, then we go right back to the explanation of last summer: the Russians are "covering" Novorussians with their S-300PMs.
I am personally inclined to believe the that this is what happened. The Pantsir is a very advanced "combined" (missile+guns) mobile but *point* defense systems designed to shoot down cruise missiles, aircraft and precision weapons. Ballistic missiles are different due to their speed and flight trajectory. Whatever may be the case, the fact that the Novorussians admitted that "they" shot down the Tochka is very good news as it shows a degree of confidence which will horrify Kiev.
The 4th Junta mobilization is the 4th one to totally fail:
Yup, just like the 3 previous ones, the 4th mobilization completely failed. According to a Ukrainian newspaper up to 80% of the conscripts do not want to go to fight. I am not sure about the 80% figure, but it appears to be a huge problem which further waves of mobilizations (the 5th one has already been announce) will, of course, not solve at all.
Novorussia (finally) announces a full mobilization:
Zakharchenko has announced that Novorussia is declaring a full mobilization. The neat thing is that this mobilization will be *voluntary* but that Zakharchenko expects 100'000 men to show up. Here we can only "thank" the junta for its systematic terror campaign against the towns and cities of Novorussia which has acted better than any recruitment center ever could. If the Novorussians really succeed in getting these kinds of numbers, and my guess is that they will, by next summer the junta will be in real danger of really losing all of historical Novorussia and of having Crimea linked to Russia by land.
Summary and conclusion:
Ever since the junta resumed its offensive against Novorussia the Novorussians have acted very carefully, slowly and effectively. True, these counter-attacks were limited to tactical level engagements. However, this is the correct response as a full scale operational level counter-offensive would be very dangerous and considering how much time the junta forces had to dig in and prepare its defensive positions, such a counter-attack would probably have been stalled, if not defeated. Zakharchenko and his General Staff clearly have protected their most precious resource - their men - and have limited their response to relieving the pressure on Donetsky and Gorlovka.
However, I am beginning to detect the signs of a much bigger operation to come. For example, the combats around Mariupol were also a good way of probing the junta defenses. Combine that with the rumors that the Novorussians have one, possibly two, SU-25s (how much will they have by this summer?), that their air defenses are shooting down ballistic missiles, that the Russian Voentorg is almost an officially admitted reality, that the Novorussians will only negotiate on the basis of an existing line of contact (rather then the one agreed upon in Minsk) and you get the imagine.
Then look at the other side: the 4th mobilization failed. The junta's "winter offensive" was a complete disaster. The economy has tanked and not even the combined "moral" (so to speak) pressure of Soros and Levi has succeeded in getting the money to bail out the junta. Add to this protest and even riots in junta-controlled Banderastan, the EU cracking along all its seams (SYRIZA in Greece, Podemos Spain, the Charlie Hebdo psyops in France, the Swiss Franc earthquake, the use of "quantitative easing" (i.e. the printing press) by the ECB and ask yourself what the anti-Russian camp will look like in, say, 4-6 months.
I am starting to get the feeling that the Russians (Novo and others) have decided that they will solve the "Novorussian part" of the "Ukrainian problem" this summer (the Ukrainian one will probably take many years to solve).

Can you imagine what a 100'000 strong Novorussian army armed to the teeth with the latest Russian military hardware will look like by June? Especially from a riot-filled, economically devastated Kiev?
 

pla101prc

Senior Member
i simply cannot picture zarkhachenko mustering an army of that size purely from the population under his watch. assuming that he is serious about that number, AT LEAST half of it will have to come from "elsewhere" if you know what i mean, and i personally reckon more.

but imagine the additional logistic burden this will pose. the current logistic capacity is already having a hard time keeping up with an army of not more than 50k, where are you going to find the equipment, salary, and training fund for twice that number? not to mention basic sustenance like food and clothing.
 
Obama weighs sending lethal assistance to Ukraine

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President Obama holding back on providing lethal military aid to Ukraine is a good move in the war for the hearts and minds of Ukrainians, as well as of people the world over who see war as a last resort.

By having sanctions pressure Russia and forcing it to pursue a military option sooner rather than later, if at all, Russia and the rebels will be the ones seen as "drawing first blood" in the latest round of this conflict and in escalation of the conflict.

If the US provides lethal military aid to Ukraine without the Ukrainian forces first suffering some sort of significant military setback that convincingly demonstrates Russian involvement then the US and the Kiev government will be seen as the ones "drawing first blood".

This has significant ramifications because as I had predicted waaay back when Yanukovich fled Kiev, Ukraine is being turned into Korea. It will be a civil war cum proxy war to determine the size of a critical buffer zone a major power will have, and correspondingly the size of a forward operating base a competing major power will have. How solidly each portion of Ukraine will align with their foreign backer, and which way the international diplomacy wind blows, will depend on the hearts and minds dimension of the conflict and who is seen as "drawing first blood" in the final escalation to full blown civil war.
 

delft

Brigadier
President Obama holding back on providing lethal military aid to Ukraine is a good move in the war for the hearts and minds of Ukrainians, as well as of people the world over who see war as a last resort.

By having sanctions pressure Russia and forcing it to pursue a military option sooner rather than later, if at all, Russia and the rebels will be the ones seen as "drawing first blood" in the latest round of this conflict and in escalation of the conflict.

If the US provides lethal military aid to Ukraine without the Ukrainian forces first suffering some sort of significant military setback that convincingly demonstrates Russian involvement then the US and the Kiev government will be seen as the ones "drawing first blood".

This has significant ramifications because as I had predicted waaay back when Yanukovich fled Kiev, Ukraine is being turned into Korea. It will be a civil war cum proxy war to determine the size of a critical buffer zone a major power will have, and correspondingly the size of a forward operating base a competing major power will have. How solidly each portion of Ukraine will align with their foreign backer, and which way the international diplomacy wind blows, will depend on the hearts and minds dimension of the conflict and who is seen as "drawing first blood" in the final escalation to full blown civil war.
First blood was drawn when Kiev sought to crush the Novorussians in April rather than seek a political solution. And time is on the side of Russia, the announced mobilization has no date given, it is "voluntary", so a dramatic Russian intervention will not occur.
 
... And time is on the side of Russia, the announced mobilization has no date given, it is "voluntary", so a dramatic Russian intervention will not occur.

I've seen in the Russian Internet this conjecture (you may check the Red blogger "El Murid"
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in case you didn't believe it :) or me LOL):

The mobilization [which you mentioned above] will be actually be a cover-up operation for putting tens of thousands Russian troops in Donbass.
 

delft

Brigadier
I've seen in the Russian Internet this conjecture (you may check the Red blogger "El Murid"
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in case you didn't believe it :) or me LOL):

The mobilization [which you mentioned above] will be actually be a cover-up operation for putting tens of thousands Russian troops in Donbass.
In which case Russia will carefully avoid creating a crisis at the front until the zombie state Ukraine fails altogether.
 

Dannhill

Junior Member
Isn't the volunteer battalions forming the core of the National Guard?

Panic in Debaltsevo; National Guard flees; Poroshenko accused of treason

Translated from Russian by J.Hawk
This statement was just issued by the Rada Deputy (Samopomoga faction) Taras Pastukh, who is a participant in the fighting.
“Greetings from the still-Ukrainian Debaltsevo. We just repelled an attack on our base camp. Earlier it could barely be reached by artillery, but today enemy infantry had arrived. The National Guard had left the city, thus leaving us open to attack. All blocking positions report constant shelling and tank attacks. We never received any reinforcement. It went to the CTO zone, but never went where it was needed.”
“We are being abandoned here, while at the same time others are simply running away,” he added.
He also asked the country’s leaders for support.
“I ask for your help. Tell everyone you can about the critical situation here. Maybe someone got the idea I was excessively panicked, because the President had said that he had everything under control. Unfortunately, I was only wrong about the time, because I could not believe they would come at us with such force, while we continued to hope to abide by the Minsk Agreement and discuss whether a martial law is needed,” noted the deputy.
In his words, “this is genuine betrayal of the country by the entire military command, including our so-called ‘president’.”
Translator’s Note: As a quick reminder, Samopomoga is the party led by Lvov mayor Sadovyy and which includes Donbass battalion commander “Semenchenko” [Grishin] as one of its top members who, incidentally, is officially reported as having suffered a wound in the failed attack to retake Uglekorsk and is now licking his wound somewhere far away from the fighting--which gives him plenty of time for comparing notes with Yarosh. Is Pastukh engaging in empty rhetoric, trying to put pressure on Poroshenko, endorsing an overthrow of the “treasonous” president, or eyeing the possibility of Western Ukraine separating itself from the incorrigibly corrupt and inept Kiev?

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Dannhill

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Militia claimed to have down fighter plane and a helicopter.

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The self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic's militia members have claimed downing the Ukrainian army's aircraft.

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DONETSK, (Sputnik) – The Ukrainian military has lost a helicopter and an airplane in the country’s eastern region of Donetsk, the Donetsk News Agency quoted a commander of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic’s (DPR) Defense Ministry as saying Tuesday.


“The losses by the Ukrainian military over the last 24 hours include an airplane and helicopter,” the commander said.

The agency did not specify which type of aircraft had been downed.

The commander added that the Ukrainian Army had also lost seven tanks and 163 people in the last 24 hours and 1,659 people in the last 17 days.

“The losses among civilians are estimated at eight killed and 22 injured. DPR has seven killed, 20 injured,” the commander said.

The information has not been confirmed by Kiev.

Violence in eastern Ukraine surged in January, with fighting in the Donetsk Region intensifying. Shelling attacks in the region over the past few weeks resulted in the deaths of dozens of civilians.

On January 31, the latest round of trilateral reconciliation talks on Ukraine took place in Minsk, Belarus, but did not yield any results. Following the failed talks, Kiev authorities and Ukraine’s breakaway republics again blamed each other for escalating the crisis.

Earlier in the month, Moscow said the recent surge in violence in eastern Ukraine confirms that Kiev is looking to find a way out the Ukraine crisis with a military solution.

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Miragedriver

Brigadier
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A serviceman from the battalion 'Aydar' waves a Ukrainian flag during a protest against the disbanding of the battalion. The protest took place in front of Ukraine's Defence Ministry in Kiev
Picture: Reuters


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