type-62 light tank

keke.
well. first of all about 98. i had talked about this in the other threads when i first arrived in this forum. 98 was never a ....n offical term for "THE new tank". Actually, there were only a few "98" produced back then. those were the ones that were in the parade of 1999 for the armoured troop square. And it was so few, only several (forgot how many) were at the front, and the rest were 96s, (88) and 80s. that was october. those were the "offical 98s". the next year, 98 were out offically, and it was called ZTZ-99. then the so called 99G were the 99s with front armour.
and the type 62. like J-8, type 62 was the product of the time. we needed a tank that could move efficently in the south water rice field, especially something cheap we could support to the viet namese. so a down scaled 59 was presented. today, there is no need for "light tank", so type 62 is about out of the service just like J-6 did.
when i say 96 is cheap, it's comparing to 99. 99 is also called "chinese leopard" by the chinese military fan, many aren't happy with it, since it's like we copied leopard. just like leopard, it's very expensive for PLA. we have so many armoured troops, and if we give them 99s, they are going to eat up the money like crazy. therefore to protect the nation from those weak armoured forces like in the south borders, 96 would do just the job. 99 were aimed for T-90s, and M1s. but to those T-34s, or say... the..M48, M60 of taiwan, well, even 59 could take care them no problem. type 96 is advanced enough for the enemies on the south border.
59D is like a ....plan for a fast solution. we have so many 59s, there are them in beijing military district, what can you do? you can't just change them like that, so in the mean while as 96s are not issued to these non important troops, they will just be using the upgraded 59.
of couse, these creat problems for the war, if we are going to have one. the heavy load for the supply troops and repairment troops.
but i will be expecting 59, 62, 79, 80 out of service soon. maybe not so fast for 79, 80s, well, there aren't a lot of them anyway....

do you think apc like the NEW IFV (bmp-3 style apc) would take care of all the light tank role in the future??? it got 100mm turret and 30mm cannon which could be pretty deadly

Hmmm......... I'd say so.
Maybe the vehicle's chassis become a common chassis, just like the Spanish vehicle, and a light tank is derived from it for multipurpose, and maybe rapid roles.

I doubt the type 80/88s will be out of service very soon, but I wonder, why don't they give the D upgrades to the 79s instead of the 59s?

type 88 IS type 96. type 88 is the production name and type 96 is the military name. or you are thinking about the egg shaped type 80 tank? there are not A lot of them.
same to type 79, there are not a lot of 79. and the "D upgrade" is about upgrading the gun of 59 to 125 (am i right?) and upgrading the electronic stuff ( i am not familiar with the detailed.....things). 79 is already much more advanced thn 59. and the gun as well. still there aren't a lot f 79 as well.
79 was a .... sample for the gun. but later on, we didn't just use the gun....


and by the way, i may sound a bit harsh when i speak, that's how i normally speak with the "IS", the "THE" thing, i hope you guys don't take that as an offence. i just want to make a notice.

Red Guard said:

type 88 IS type 96. type 88 is the production name and type 96 is the military name. or you are thinking about the egg shaped type 80 tank? there are not A lot of them.
same to type 79, there are not a lot of 79. and the "D upgrade" is about upgrading the gun of 59 to 125 (am i right?) and upgrading the electronic stuff ( i am not familiar with the detailed.....things). 79 is already much more advanced thn 59. and the gun as well. still there aren't a lot f 79 as well.
79 was a .... sample for the gun. but later on, we didn't just use the gun....


and by the way, i may sound a bit harsh when i speak, that's how i normally speak with the "IS", the "THE" thing, i hope you guys don't take that as an offence. i just want to make a notice.

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That is type-59-125 with new gun, the "D" was new tech, engine and some other upgrade. Sumdud has a good question, why dun they do it to type-69/79 when there are 4000 tanks in total of that type. So many old tnaks

Oh another question is, did type-62 get the same upgrade as type-59 on using gun fire ATGM

Well, if you upgrade the type 79 instead, you'll gain a lot of ground just by upgrading a better tank. If you give the same upgrade, the upgrade will be cheaper; if you give the same amount of money, you get a much better tank.
As for the gun, you were going to change the gun anyway. The type 79 isn't a common tank, so its rounds, even if very powerful, is only limited in quantity.
The D upgrade upgrades the gun to a better 105mm gun(Best one in China, used on the SPATGs) not 125, that's Pakistan's Al-Zarrar.

The type 80/88s(variants) aren't going to be retired soon, not until all the old unupgraded 59s and 69s are gone. It just got a BMS upgrade.
Type 96 is 88C, not any 88.

I am going to leave it here now, since we are drifting off-topic.
unless something about light tanks appear.
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Edit:
If the type 62s did not get an upgrade, it cannot fire the missile at all for its original gun is 85mm.

sumdud said:

Well, if you upgrade the type 79 instead, you'll gain a lot of ground just by upgrading a better tank. If you give the same upgrade, the upgrade will be cheaper; if you give the same amount of money, you get a much better tank.
As for the gun, you were going to change the gun anyway. The type 79 isn't a common tank, so its rounds, even if very powerful, is only limited in quantity.
The D upgrade upgrades the gun to a better 105mm gun(Best one in China, used on the SPATGs) not 125, that's Pakistan's Al-Zarrar.

The type 80/88s(variants) aren't going to be retired soon, not until all the old unupgraded 59s and 69s are gone. It just got a BMS upgrade.
Type 96 is 88C, not any 88.

I am going to leave it here now, since we are drifting off-topic.
unless something about light tanks appear.
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Edit:
If the type 62s did not get an upgrade, it cannot fire the missile at all for its original gun is 85mm.

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really, damn i thought it was a 100mm cannon

Sorry for going off topic but WTF is that flecktarn cammo pattern I saw on RedGuard's post?

German camo pattern on chinese BDU's? When? How?

Red not Dead said:

Sorry for going off topic but WTF is that flecktarn cammo pattern I saw on RedGuard's post?

German camo pattern on chinese BDU's? When? How?

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which one?

Mechanised Formations in Southern China

No, guys, it is not like say if a fromtline division on the Sino-Russian border gets x number of Type 99G's and y number of new IFVs, then a frontline division on the Vietnam border will have the same x number of Type 96's and same y number wheeled APC's. It does not work like that, and anyone with the vaguest connection with someone in PLA will know that it is more a configurative than a qualitative game. The reality is more like half or a third of the northern (for guarding against the Russians) number of the same or similar tank, and proportionally a lot more mechanised infantry, in a southern (against Vietnam) division. This is actually a geographical consideration, as the American experience in Vietnam concluded that using the M113 as a sort of fighting vehicle as opposed to just a battle taxi is the most effective and bloodless mthod in fighting the 'Congs. The infantry themselves very ussualy will f*ck up deep in the boondocks, as the treacherous terrain prescribes all-round general protection. Thus, as a matter of fact, the better southern divisions are amongst the most mechanised (not in tanks, but in aggregrate number of armour) in China because where as in Siberian steppes one could have sweeping heavy armoured and APC infantry formations, the smaller scale necessatated by the Indochine terrain mandates more well-rounded individual vehicles, thus resulting in a lesser number of heavy tanks and a greater number of general armour tracked APC's.