Type 09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread


Broccoli

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China ZH wiki lists 9 submarines in active service.

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They listed the pennant numbers, ship names, which base they are deployed, and year they began service. That's impressive.

It seems there are three, not two, of the 093, and six, not four, of the 093A. About four of the subs are in the South China Seas, including three of the original ones.

A 10th submarine is about to be launched and is described as a 093B.

What is source for those figures? How reliable it is in China?
 

5unrise

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Is it this one from February?
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HI Sutton, the submarine expert who works for Naval News (not sure if he is still a staff member), believed these images to be the pre-assembled parts of the new Type 95 Sui class SSN. The article below is dated from February.
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This is the analysis Sutton offered to support this conclusion:

"The hull section is approximately 30-32 meters long and roughly 11-12 meters across. This points to the new Type-095 and Type-096 boats. The other possibility is an improved version of the current Type-093 Shang-class. This would logically be the Type-093B cruise-missile optimized version. This is expected to feature vertical launch tubes similar to the Russian Yasen class. These will allow it to carry more YJ-18 cruise missiles.

However the approximate measurements are making the completely new classes a safer bet at this stage.

These new classes will be more advanced than the Type-093, with increased levels of stealth. The Type-095 in particular may become very relevant if the PLAN increases its prescience in the Indian Ocean."

Thought this might be interesting to some.
 

Bltizo

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Trying to definitively confirm the precise number of nuclear submarine hulls is nigh impossible.

Not trying to put a damper on the discussion, but I think at best what we can say with a straight face is to give a range in terms of the number of hulls that may exist.


That said, we do have good reason to believe that assembly of at least one submarine has been underway in the new large assembly hall since 2020. But beyond that, trying to guess how many they may have now, and trying to guess how many nuclear submarines they have in total, or by class/type, is very difficult if not impossible.
 

AndrewS

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HI Sutton, the submarine expert who works for Naval News (not sure if he is still a staff member), believed these images to be the pre-assembled parts of the new Type 95 Sui class SSN. The article below is dated from February.
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This is the analysis Sutton offered to support this conclusion:

"The hull section is approximately 30-32 meters long and roughly 11-12 meters across. This points to the new Type-095 and Type-096 boats. The other possibility is an improved version of the current Type-093 Shang-class. This would logically be the Type-093B cruise-missile optimized version. This is expected to feature vertical launch tubes similar to the Russian Yasen class. These will allow it to carry more YJ-18 cruise missiles.

However the approximate measurements are making the completely new classes a safer bet at this stage.

These new classes will be more advanced than the Type-093, with increased levels of stealth. The Type-095 in particular may become very relevant if the PLAN increases its prescience in the Indian Ocean."

Thought this might be interesting to some.

With a module length of 30-32m, this implies that final assembly will comprise 4 modules in total.
That's similar to the updated Virginia SSN construction method for the Block II boats

However, there might be 5 modules in total, if there is a VPM plug like the latest Virginia Block V

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There have been previous discussions speculating that the vast increase in assembly hall capacity (2 brand new halls with space for up to 20 SSNs to be assembled) might actually mean more work done in the Assembly Hall rather than the Fabrication Halls

But modules of 30m length argue against this
 
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AndrewS

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Following on from the module length of 30-32m, that implies module assembly times similar to the Virginia SSN.
Call it 8-18 months depending on the boat, and with space for 12+8 boats in the 2 assembly halls

So I still expect a production ramp up to an absolute bare minimum of 3 SSNs per year
And I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up with a much higher production rate
 

Andy1974

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What I don’t understand about these new halls is why are they not covering up the rails, and thus exposing the modules as they move between? Do they want theses to be exposed to satellites?
 

Maikeru

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What I don’t understand about these new halls is why are they not covering up the rails, and thus exposing the modules as they move between? Do they want theses to be exposed to satellites?
Perhaps they move the modules mostly when there is no satellite cover? Not sure how long they take to move.
 

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