Type 09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread


Oldschool

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Can 094 carry antiship missiles on its tubes instead of JL2? Ashm is smaller.

It would be pretty flexible to switch between a SSGN or a SSBN.
 

Broccoli

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if you're talking about 093A, then yeah, the small hump is most likely for towed array system. There's been some articles explaining that idea in more detail but I can't remember where I read then. 093B has not yet been constructed, so we don't know what sort of hump or VLS is might have.

You mean this? I posted this on here few years ago.
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Tam

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Can 094 carry antiship missiles on its tubes instead of JL2? Ashm is smaller.

It would be pretty flexible to switch between a SSGN or a SSBN.

You mean like the Ohio converted to carry 112 Tomahawks, with each silo converted with a sleeve with seven VLS each?


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The question is, what kind of antiship missile are you going to shoot out from this? Tomahawks are hot launched from the Mk. 41 VLS, so if its submarine launched, it would have to be cold launched and encased in a canister that will only fire the missile once it reaches the surface.

With the sole exception of the YJ-18, all other Chinese antiship missiles are currently in slant launched variant and would require creating a dedicated variant to do this. Someone would have to decide, approve or disapprove, the development expenditures for such.

With the YJ-18 you would need a separate variant from the one that is horizontally launched from the torpedo tube used in 039B and 093A. If you are considering a variant of the 093 or 095 that would launch YJ-18 from VLS tubes either in the submarine bow or back, the bean counter can have an easier case of making such a budget approval, as you can utilize the same missile in a Type 094 SSGN conversion.
 

Oldschool

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According to Chinese media, US carriers going through SCS is just for shows but underneath the water there were alot of confrontation between PLAN submarines and USN submarine around the water Southwest of Taiwan, near Dongsha island. It's the most strategic spot because it watching over the entrance into SCS from bashi channel between Taiwan and Philippines. Any US forces coming in will transit that area. For the past years and currently both side subs are hunting each other underneath.

Submarines showdown will be the deciding factor between PLAN and USN in SCS

093b is alot more important than 054a, 056. Overbuilding those surface ships is kind of pointless especially US cranking out alot of AshM Lasrm.
 

SpicySichuan

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According to Chinese media, US carriers going through SCS is just for shows but underneath the water there were alot of confrontation between PLAN submarines and USN submarine around the water Southwest of Taiwan, near Dongsha island. It's the most strategic spot because it watching over the entrance into SCS from bashi channel between Taiwan and Philippines. Any US forces coming in will transit that area. For the past years and currently both side subs are hunting each other underneath.

Submarines showdown will be the deciding factor between PLAN and USN in SCS

093b is alot more important than 054a, 056. Overbuilding those surface ships is kind of pointless especially US cranking out alot of AshM Lasrm.
Maybe that's why the PLAN's Y-8 ASW constantly patrol that area.
 

Oldschool

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Maybe that's why the PLAN's Y-8 ASW constantly patrol that area.
XI is calling for war preparation regarding to taiwan.

There ought be a strong submarine force based in Shantou that can quickly cover that area guarding the entrance of SCS.

4 of 93b nuke subs and 12 of 039b/c AIP diesel subs can accomplish that task.
 

voyager1

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XI is calling for war preparation regarding to taiwan.

There ought be a strong submarine force based in Shantou that can quickly cover that area guarding the entrance of SCS.

4 of 93b nuke subs and 12 of 039b/c AIP diesel subs can accomplish that task.
Xi can call for whatever he wants but his submarine construction base is still under construction/expanding and has still not started massively building the new modern subs from what I know.

So unless he has some other cards such as UUVs or other capabilities he should wait for another 5 years or so.
 
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Oldschool

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Xi can call for whatever he wants but his submarine construction base is still under construction/expanding and has still not started massively building the new modern subs from what I know.

So unless he has some other cards such as UUVs or other capabilities he should wait for another 5 years or so.
I thought those new sites are for 095/096. The old sites can handle 093b, no?
 

ougoah

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093A and 093B should be quite useful similar to 055. Why China doesn't crank out more numbers? That's an assassin mace weapon.

I think besides Bohai nuke powered sub building, Shanghai should also produce that similar to carrier , 055, 052D programs.

Type 039A is the better weapon for SCS. The SSNs can go further but they are noisier than 039A that drift around and most importantly stay hidden at random points. 039A are smaller and quieter than the nuclear powered ones China currently fields. The PLAN does have over a dozen AIP subs and produce them at a faster rate.

They probably also have unmanned drone subs that are tasked with attacking surface vessels.
 

Oldschool

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Type 039A is the better weapon for SCS. The SSNs can go further but they are noisier than 039A that drift around and most importantly stay hidden at random points. 039A are smaller and quieter than the nuclear powered ones China currently fields. The PLAN does have over a dozen AIP subs and produce them at a faster rate.

They probably also have unmanned drone subs that are tasked with attacking surface vessels.
Isn't 093b has more powerful sonar that can detect opponents's subs?

It does seems to carry more sonars . The additional side sonar and the towed array from the small hump
 

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