I am not sure why a sharply focused antiship vessel would need dipping sonar.
Type 022 Missile Boat
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I am not sure why a sharply focused antiship vessel would need dipping sonar.
YJ−83 launch shots...
You probably won't be able to fit it in.
And this hull is highly unsuitable for the job. Neither volume/weight margins nor sea keeping nor stability.
given how much those actually cost(not too much actually) - it's better to build a new vessel.
Dipping sonars are pretty compact, you have them on helicopters. I still consider it a waste to ditch hulls which can carry 8 anti-sub missiles at a more than decent speed.
If you take these pictures as an example, the datalink is the cylinder like dipole behind the anti ship missile housing. Given its shape, it would be ship to ship or low flying aircraft, drone or helicopter to ship.
This kind of datalink is good for a short distance only, which limits the range it can communicate with long range spotting assets not like the Mineral ME3 datalink that uses a parabolic to form and direct a beam that can be used over range.
This one shows the location of the ME3 datalinks aka Type 366-2 onboard the 052D, and these datalinks appear in other ships down to the 056. It is not necessary to have two datalinks if you can get a near 360 degree coverage with only one. It is not necessary for ME3 to work with the active radar ME1 and passive radar ME2, or at least for the Chinese version, the Type 366-2 can work independently.
The ME3 datalink is located right here on the 052C. As long as it can obtain a good 360 degree coverage with a single dome, a single one is enough.
Without an ME3/366-2 datalink of its own, the 022 would require an intermediate ship that has both the ME3 and the same ship to ship datalink as shown in the above, which describes just about every PLAN surface warship from the 056 to the 055. On the 052C and 052D, you can usually see them on top of the bridge whereas on the 054A, they are on the arms of the mast. On the 056, they are on two arms where the navigation radar placed at the rear.
Aerial spotter ---------via ME3 ----------> Intermediate Ship ------- via ship to ship datalink -------- > 022
The intermediate ship can communicate to any number of 022 used as a pack. For example, a UAV spots the target then sends the data via the ME3 datalink to a 056A. The 056A is leading a four pack of 022s. The 056A then sends the data to each of the four 022s and they all launch their YJ-83s together. This entire group is unloading 40 missiles at a long range target.
Dipping sonars on helicopters cannot simply be transplanted to a ship unless you want your ship to literally be dead in the water at standstill, and even then it won't work because the current will move your ship.
You'd need a towed sonar of some sort.
But really, using a FAC catamaran as a sonar platform is not a great use of its hullform.
They already have 056As as a proper TLAS+VDS platform that is reasonable for its job.
Type 22s can be retained for the anti ship role as a missile boat for wartime, and all it requires is new AShMs to be developed that use a similar footprint to the existing YJ-83 canisters.
During peacetime they can mostly remain in semi-mothball.
New camo...
Hey there,
what is your reliable source on how many were built?
Most of the sources I usually rely on quote 60-ish.
The , page 240, quotes "60+", and Jane's Fighting Ships 2021-2022 plays along mentioning that "produced ceased in 2009 after completion of 60 hulls". The 's PLA Navy Identification Guide (2022) also mentions 60, as Manfred Meyer in his monumental . Eg.
However, I've seen a few sources, such as the , which goes above and beyond saying "Approximately 83 of these missile boats are currently in service with three flotillas having been produced over a span of seven years.".
Before dismissing that last one, I'd like your opinion.
I've got so many questions left about that class, but I better dive into the 69 previous pages first.
Cheers
what is your reliable source on how many were built?
Most of the sources I usually rely on quote 60-ish.
The , page 240, quotes "60+", and Jane's Fighting Ships 2021-2022 plays along mentioning that "produced ceased in 2009 after completion of 60 hulls". The 's PLA Navy Identification Guide (2022) also mentions 60, as Manfred Meyer in his monumental . Eg.
However, I've seen a few sources, such as the , which goes above and beyond saying "Approximately 83 of these missile boats are currently in service with three flotillas having been produced over a span of seven years.".
Before dismissing that last one, I'd like your opinion.
I've got so many questions left about that class, but I better dive into the 69 previous pages first.
Cheers