Type 022 Missile Boat

Re: Missiles for 2208 catamaran FAC

Now i can sure you, it's not Moskit...My Weyrs flottentachbocken has a good line drawing and it gives me quite good assumption just how big missiles can be fitted on the boat. Moskit is just too long (never mentioning the weight...) to be fitted on the hangars. My best quess is the C-803 or the "stings" fitted in 052C class DDGs...

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DPRKPTboat said:

Sorry, I have a reputation for being a serious person. Well, I did think of that when I opened the thread, which was why I put a question mark on the Sunburn. As I said, I think the missile that they're placing on that thing will deinetly be supersonic and very advanced. And the SS-N-22 is the most advanced and fastest missile the PLAN has.

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agree with Golly here, the SS-N-22 simply is too huge to fit on such a small boat, unless you want it to tip over. Each sunburn is 4 tonnes. The upgraded ones might be even heavier. The launchers for them can't be light either. You are looking at 50 tonnes just for anti-shipping on a 250 tonne boat, not good.

Also, it is not the most advanced missile in PLAN. YJ-62 is. It has much better range and equals in warhead despite being much smaller. I'd imagine a smaller missile like that would have better manuverability too.

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Whats the point of having a 200+km range on the missle if the FAC's radar cannot see that far? With such a small craft, I'd expect the radar to only range at most 150-180km. Thus, the supersonic yj-83 would be ideal. It's faster than the yj-62, but has the same range when operating on the FAC.

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MIGleader said:

Whats the point of having a 200+km range on the missle if the FAC's radar cannot see that far? With such a small craft, I'd expect the radar to only range at most 150-180km. Thus, the supersonic yj-83 would be ideal. It's faster than the yj-62, but has the same range when operating on the FAC.

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i doubt they have radars big enough to even fully utilize the maximum range of YJ-83. They probably will have like some kind of datalinking between Y-8 or the destroyers and the FACs to tell it where the targets are and then once they are launched, they are probably guided by Y-8 or helicopters too.

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i guess it could be a smaller, and thus comparatively more stealthy missle, the rectangle langcher is fitting for c803 to be put in, but too small for sunburn.

besides, the missile should have an adequate range for the "hit and run" tactic. during a typical attack, the FAC may receive signals from KJ-2000 AWACS Aircraft, or sattelite perhaps, to insure a silence attack. if the missile is small and long-ranged, it could enjoy a bigger possibility to launch the missile and withdraw to a safe circle guaranteed by land-based fighters before the missle is to be detected.

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tphuang mentioned that the article claims that the FAC can carry up to 8 yj-83 missles? is this really possible? from a rational point of view it would make sense, since if one FAC 'only' carries 4 missles (and given other constraints like their limited combat endurance), it wouldn't make them very fearsome opponents, would it?

and does anybody has an idea how much of these FAC will be build?sinodefence doesn't say much on this one except that the PLAAF already have build 3 of these FACs...

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Eurofighter said:

tphuang mentioned that the article claims that the FAC can carry up to 8 yj-83 missles? is this really possible? from a rational point of view it would make sense, since if one FAC 'only' carries 4 missles (and given other constraints like their limited combat endurance), it wouldn't make them very fearsome opponents, would it?

and does anybody has an idea how much of these FAC will be build?sinodefence doesn't say much on this one except that the PLAAF already have build 3 of these FACs...

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I question that too actually. I thought it would only have 4, but YJ-83s are quite light, so maybe it's possible. I believe we saw a picture recently of the 4 type 22s althogether (2208-2211).

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tphuang said:

I question that too actually. I thought it would only have 4, but YJ-83s are quite light, so maybe it's possible. I believe we saw a picture recently of the 4 type 22s althogether (2208-2211).

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not so, i suppose. simply because each of the two lanuchers are rectangle.

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I agree with tphuang - YJ-83 is probably the most likely canditate. Its supersonic, its cheap to produce and its one of China's most widely used anti-ship systems. But I still think theres a pssibility we could be seeing a new missile here.

MIGleader said:

Whats the point of having a 200+km range on the missle if the FAC's radar cannot see that far? With such a small craft, I'd expect the radar to only range at most 150-180km. Thus, the supersonic yj-83 would be ideal. It's faster than the yj-62, but has the same range when operating on the FAC.

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due to their altitude, the sensors that fit on FACs could detect surface targets at most 30km far away. the 22xx would only be able to guide short range ASMs such as YJ-71 within missiles' full range if there is not datalinks support. as for as i know, the CEC capability to cover ASMs' track is not difficult for chinese navy.

anybody's seen this before? any thought?