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CMP

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  • Department of Defense (DOD): The FY 2025 budget request was approximately $850 billion in base discretionary funding. The total national defense top line (which includes defense-related activities in other agencies like the Department of Energy) for FY 2024 was $883.7 billion.
  • Department of Homeland Security (DHS):The President's FY 2025 budget request for DHS was approximately $107.9 billion in total budget authority, of which $62.2 billion was net discretionary funding.
  • Department of Justice (DOJ): The Department of Justice spent approximately $44 billion in total outlays in FY 2024, ranking 14th among federal agencies in total spending. While a total FY 2025 figure is not explicitly stated in the sources, its budget is in the tens of billions, far less than the DOD's.
I'm trying to think if we're forgetting any big pieces. Are each state's national guard funded through the same federal war budget? Or are those partly or fully funded by the individual states?
 

RoastGooseHKer

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I'm trying to think if we're forgetting any big pieces. Are each state's national guard funded through the same federal war budget? Or are those partly or fully funded by the individual states?
National guards are funded by both federal government and states. But national guards could be federalised by the order of the President and deployed abroad.
 

CMP

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National guards are funded by both federal government and states. But national guards could be federalised by the order of the President and deployed abroad.
So I think to really get an accurate and complete picture, we should factor in the amounts that the states are also contributing to that, adding it to the federal total. Especially since national guard are called to fight abroad as you mentioned. Since they can also be mobilized to perform internal security, especially as highlighted by the recent politically-motivated mobilizations, it makes even more sense to add both their state and federal funding to the total of external forces + internal security. Given how heavily militarized US police forces are, we could argue their budgets should fall under internal security too. I would think they're armed at least as heavily as the People's Armed Police, if not much more so.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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If you're going to compare apples to apples, then you should factor in US DOJ, FBI, and ICE budgets into their "internal security" budget as well then, given how they're being wielded in much the same way these days.
Dont forget the local police force budget as well. In China because there is one central govt, I am sure internal security budget also includes police. So, for a proper comparison, all police force budgets will also have to be included for US.
 

CMP

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Dont forget the local police force budget as well. In China because there is one central govt, I am sure internal security budget also includes police. So, for a proper comparison, all police force budgets will also have to be included for US.
Law enforcement plus national guard would be something like around $200 billion a year total. So that should get added to the other numbers.
 

4Tran

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In all seriousness, India will most likely instigate a border war to capture territory if China is preoccupied in the Pacific

China will need to contend with a two front war, as well as war against Japan, Philippines and possibly South Korea.

US social media and general media control of those countries have made them hate China even while the US bitch slaps them.

Is chja prepare for that eventuality ?
What? India, for all its delusions of grandeur, knows full well that it can't sustain a prolonged war. That's why it never even tried to push in with ground forces in Operation Sindoor. Trying to support a war over the high Himalayas is the height of folly, and it's something that India isn't going to try, and it'd probably be very easy to stop.

As for the Pacific front, Korea isn't going to join a crusade against China and Philippines doesn't have an actual military. Hell, Philippines isn't even suitable for building any large scale American bases. The Americans might get moral support from other Western countries, but they're too far away to help much, so it's going to stay at the level of moral support. The same might go for Australia as well.

The chances of an American victory in the Western Pacific is very slim currently, and the these chances are slipping more and more every year.

  • Department of Defense (DOD): The FY 2025 budget request was approximately $850 billion in base discretionary funding. The total national defense top line (which includes defense-related activities in other agencies like the Department of Energy) for FY 2024 was $883.7 billion.
  • Department of Homeland Security (DHS):The President's FY 2025 budget request for DHS was approximately $107.9 billion in total budget authority, of which $62.2 billion was net discretionary funding.
  • Department of Justice (DOJ): The Department of Justice spent approximately $44 billion in total outlays in FY 2024, ranking 14th among federal agencies in total spending. While a total FY 2025 figure is not explicitly stated in the sources, its budget is in the tens of billions, far less than the DOD's.
One big part that tends to get missed in these equivalency the Chinese internal security would also inclue the People's Police so you'd have to include all the local and state-level police forces in the US as well. The reality is that the PLA isn't a huge burden on the Chinese economy and its budget can be significantly increased without too much hardship. On the other hand, the American deficit is getting to crisis levels and even current budget is unsustainable. It can theoretically increase the military budget, but this can only generate marginal improvements because the budget isn't the problem.
 

RoastGooseHKer

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On the other hand, the American deficit is getting to crisis levels and even current budget is unsustainable. It can theoretically increase the military budget, but this can only generate marginal improvements because the budget isn't the problem.
China’s debt problem is getting worse as speak, albeit still not as bad as those of US and Japan. The massive HSR network, the 2009 bailout, BRI, internal/external security and MIC2025 subsidies and research funds aren’t without opportunities costs and long-term debts, albeit all are necessary because China needs to move up the global value chain and lives in an increasingly dangerous neighbourhood.
 

iewgnem

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China’s debt problem is getting worse as speak, albeit still not as bad as those of US and Japan. The massive HSR network, the 2009 bailout, BRI, internal/external security and MIC2025 subsidies and research funds aren’t without opportunities costs and long-term debts, albeit all are necessary because China needs to move up the global value chain and lives in an increasingly dangerous neighbourhood.
Chinese debts are investments that's already demonstrate successful ROI, US debt are also arguably intended to be investments to be recovered through imperial exploitation and its only a problem because those investments failed, but Japaneses debt are pure debt and that's why their economy has shrunk for decades straight.
 

vincent

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China’s debt problem is getting worse as speak, albeit still not as bad as those of US and Japan. The massive HSR network, the 2009 bailout, BRI, internal/external security and MIC2025 subsidies and research funds aren’t without opportunities costs and long-term debts, albeit all are necessary because China needs to move up the global value chain and lives in an increasingly dangerous neighbourhood.
You are right

 
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