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Colonel
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You're just taking the points I conveyed and framing them as empty threats. The bases are nothing. The hostile proxies are nothing. The installed puppets are nothing. The total political control is nothing. The military expansion is nothing. Okay well then good luck on your next dose of copium. Please make sure you don't overdose.
Nope, I'm putting things in concrete terms. Where is an US force deployed for attack on Taiwan that rivals ETC, STC or NTC? Yes, if you can't deploy more firepower/forces than even 1 of 3 military groupings facing you, how do you have control??

Would China be happy with Russia if Putin said he would redraw borders in Europe and he prepared by putting 100 000 troops around Ukraine, rotating a single Iskander battalion on a "temporary" basis to Belarus (absolute bitch move to not just move the launchers officially and permanently) and expanding a single black sea supply base (subic bay)??? Because US has deployed 100 000 troops to Asia for their glorious Taiwan invasion, and it's been refurbishing a base (singular) for the last 2 years.

You've put the horse far before the cart and counted chickens from the 3rd generations from eggs you don't have. Americans politicians are smarter than that, so they make an effort using all the remaining resources (which isn't much at this point, compared to China) to both build up a possible wartime supply chain and prepare militarily.

Imagine being you and being blinder than Navarro and Rubio. There is this saying that you use the fighting style to kill a tiger in order to kill a wolf, but you think you can show up to a tiger with the fighting style of killing a chihuahua and then proclaim victory before even landing a blow. The peak of blindness.
 

nativechicken

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Nope, I'm putting things in concrete terms. Where is an US force deployed for attack on Taiwan that rivals ETC, STC or NTC? Yes, if you can't deploy more firepower/forces than even 1 of 3 military groupings facing you, how do you have control??

Would China be happy with Russia if Putin said he would redraw borders in Europe and he prepared by putting 100 000 troops around Ukraine, rotating a single Iskander battalion on a "temporary" basis to Belarus (absolute bitch move to not just move the launchers officially and permanently) and expanding a single black sea supply base (subic bay)??? Because US has deployed 100 000 troops to Asia for their glorious Taiwan invasion, and it's been refurbishing a base (singular) for the last 2 years.

You've put the horse far before the cart and counted chickens from the 3rd generations from eggs you don't have. Americans politicians are smarter than that, so they make an effort using all the remaining resources (which isn't much at this point, compared to China) to both build up a possible wartime supply chain and prepare militarily.

Imagine being you and being blinder than Navarro and Rubio. There is this saying that you use the fighting style to kill a tiger in order to kill a wolf, but you think you can show up to a tiger with the fighting style of killing a chihuahua and then proclaim victory before even landing a blow. The peak of blindness.
Westerners struggle to comprehend Eastern-style thinking. A satirical rhyme circulating on Chinese social media about American (and broader Western) military engagements goes:

"Punch the nursing home on South Mountain,
Kick the kindergarten in North Sea,
Shout in the morgue: 'All dissenters rise!'"

Whether that @iBBz can grasp its meaning remains unclear. In our eyes, only foolish bullies take pride in bullying weaker targets while boasting about their "achievements." Observe whom America challenges: North Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Iran... They only dare wage "non-contact wars" with generational weaponry gaps—dropping bombs from planes/ships against defenseless targets, then declaring victory by death tolls. This logic extends beyond America to the entire West (Europe, Anglo-Saxons) and Zionists—Gaza being the latest evidence.

In China, bullying the weak—like elders or children—is shameful. It's like a heavyweight boxer knocking out a featherweight: no real glory exists. This reflects Chinese philosophy: traditional martial artists cultivated both skills and ethics (武德), teaching that greater power shouldn't be abused. Hence, in recent India/Philippines border clashes, China chose cold weapons—spears and sticks—to resolve disputes.

Understand China's message? By demonstrating absolute military superiority yet opting for "fairer" methods (cold weapons), China shows: even with self-imposed handicaps under equitable conditions, opponents still can't win. The answer is presented for rivals to contemplate—a characteristically Chinese approach emphasizing wisdom over brute force.

This cultural DNA explains China's restraint on Taiwan:

Civil war trauma: Historically, intra-ethnic wars (e.g., Three Kingdoms, Ming-Qing transitions) caused deeper scars than foreign invasions, as betrayal amplifies suffering.
Kinship mentality: Taiwanese are considered compatriots. Unless absolutely necessary, China avoids同胞相残 (kinsmen slaughter).
Strategic patience: Five millennia of warfare taught China that patience often yields better solutions than impulsive violence.
Yet toward true peers like America/Russia, China avoids conflict not from weakness, but respect for their capabilities. Paradoxically, a simmering martial spirit (尚武) boils beneath—a collective craving to finally unleash restrained power against those "self-proclaimed strongmen" who keep provoking. When Eastern wisdom meets Western hubris, the world witnesses a civilization that chooses its battles with millennia-tempered prudence.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
China is free to kick them out whenever it grows balls.
Oh yeah? What brave thing did you do with your "balls" that you think you can backseat drive a rising superpower's path to displace a sitting superpower? Or rather you're free to shut up and watch whenever you grow a brain.
In the meantime, the US will continue to insult China via Taiwan. This is just a fact of life.
What does an insult do? LOL Sticks and stones... but Chinese innovation will kill you. This is just a fact of life.
They have surrounded it with bases and continue expanding the area with more and more bases to protect their investment. What more do you expect them to do exactly? You are not making a serious argument here.
Everything they've done they established right after the Chinese civil war. It's not expected to reverse until China has reversed the power difference, which is a decades long fight. What did you expect? You're not making any meaningful argument here.
On the other side you have China conducting bullshit exercises and theatrics and nobody buys that nonsense.
That's America in the South China Sea while China expands our territory. If they don't buy the bullshit, then they can sit down and shut up instead of complaining every day because they can't even afford to scramble anymore.
Nobody thinks China is serious about Taiwan and deterrence on it's own borders. The US has so many ships spread out around the world and China has so many ships concentrated on it's coasts that it could easily blockade Taiwan and collapse it's economy within a week without firing a single shot, yet they refuse to do so willingly despite the risk of them looking like a joke.
If the task gets easier every day, why do it today? The joke is your "analysis."
If China was to go the US border and start building bases right on the US coast, the US would obliterate these bases without giving it a second thought,
Yeah no. They would negotiate like they did during the Cuban missile crisis. America does not act violently to peer-level threats. Maybe you should give it a second thought so you don't say more stupid shit from your world of expired and imaginary American dominance.
that's why nobody even dares to attempt to do such a thing.
The reason is because there is no benefit but high cost. America's military power is such that small bases would be indefensible and fail to encircle it in a war. Nuclear strikes are still the best option for attacking the American homeland in case of WWIII. China's military build-up is still the fastest in the world by far.
That is the difference between the US deterrence and China's lack of it.
And yet China, not the US, is expanding its territory while deterring America and all its Western henchmen as well as its cockroach in a box, the Philippines. That's the difference between an old recumbent superpower and a young rising superpower that is yet to take the throne. Oh, and Russia's expanding too. How's it going with Greenland and Canada? Not so well, for the only country amongst the big 3 with no territorial gains... Pssht US "deterrance" LOL Shit lotta good that does.
 
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supersnoop

Colonel
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Remember when your parents wanted you to go to school so you could have the chance at a better life than they had... doesn't seem to be quite vision Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick shares for young Americans future job prospects.

It’s just totally unrealistic expectations and really showing the low level of mathematical/logical/critical thinking ability of the population who believes this.

The main iPhone plant of Foxconn employs 200,000 people. American sales account for about 40% Apple’s revenue, so that would translate to 80,000 workers. There is no urban infrastructure that exists in America to build a factory of that size. GM’s largest plant only employs 5000 people and is huge. 80,000 is a fairly large town on its own in the US.

Also as someone else mentioned, are you going to open the floodgates to migrants? The unemployment rate is only 5%, this is considered full employment by most economists. Even if we consider some amount of people as underemployed, you would still need to fill that vacancy if they take the “better” iPhone screw job.

Even in China you can’t find that many people in one city to work in the factory. They have to scour the entire country to find workers and they live in dorms. Outside the military, almost no employment has such an arrangement in the US. On top of this, the arrangement is heavily influenced by the HSR network to facilitate the movement of people.

It’s a common misunderstanding that these jobs were “lost” to China… no they never would exist outside of China.
 

Ringsword

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It’s just totally unrealistic expectations and really showing the low level of mathematical/logical/critical thinking ability of the population who believes this.

The main iPhone plant of Foxconn employs 200,000 people. American sales account for about 40% Apple’s revenue, so that would translate to 80,000 workers. There is no urban infrastructure that exists in America to build a factory of that size. GM’s largest plant only employs 5000 people and is huge. 80,000 is a fairly large town on its own in the US.

Also as someone else mentioned, are you going to open the floodgates to migrants? The unemployment rate is only 5%, this is considered full employment by most economists. Even if we consider some amount of people as underemployed, you would still need to fill that vacancy if they take the “better” iPhone screw job.

Even in China you can’t find that many people in one city to work in the factory. They have to scour the entire country to find workers and they live in dorms. Outside the military, almost no employment has such an arrangement in the US. On top of this, the arrangement is heavily influenced by the HSR network to facilitate the movement of people.

It’s a common misunderstanding that these jobs were “lost” to China… no they never would exist outside of China.
Trump and his toady yesman Lutnick-truly unaware/ignorant and stupid combined with racism and greed-the next few months will be a disaster and trying times indeed for all of us here in NorAm.China thank Heaven had the brains,resources,skills and determination to tariff-proof its economy to great degree to weather this shit-storm and kudos to XJP and his gov't crew.My biggest fear is the Orange Sociopath will actually attack China out of spiteful failure and hatefulness-Trump and gang of crazies are more deranged by the day-talk about burning down the house to get rid of the mice!!!:confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
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