Trump 2.0 official thread

TK3600

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Lol seriously, i dont even know what's the big deal with Tiktok. Its just a social media app which makes teenagers and young people addicted and bizarre. Not sure why all this media frenzy about Tiktok. If they want to ban it then just do it its no big deal. Wouldnt affect the country much in anyway. Other countried have banned it before and it didnt change anything. This social media thing is overhype.
It is an influential global media not under their direct control. More importantly, they are not following the Israel narrative.
 

Wrought

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Seems like most countries are still in denial. In retrospect, the 2018 trade war was actually a disproportionate benefit because the subsequent adjustments have put China in a far stronger position to weather the far bigger tariff storm today. Meanwhile the rest of the world is in shock, scrambling to adjust to a scary reality which has been the Chinese normal for the past seven years.

In the weeks leading up to Donald Trump’s “liberation day”, diplomats and foreign officials streamed through Washington to secure the holy grail: a deal the president could not refuse, and one that would spare them his tariffs. None succeeded. Trump used rarely-invoked emergency powers to unleash
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of between 10 per cent and 50 per cent against almost every country in the world, taking aim at a
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that he said had “ripped off” the US for decades.

Now the world is asking whether he wants to retain the tariffs or is just looking to negotiate — a question that has become increasingly urgent with the steep drop in
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in the wake of Trump’s announcement. But two days after the president announced his wide-ranging tariffs in the White House rose garden, US officials are signalling that deals with foreign governments are not his priority

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W20

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"President Trump has shown tariffs are a means by which he can successfully extract negotiating leverage —and revenue— from trading partners"

Stephen Miran (Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers since March 2025) Guide to Restructuring the Global Trading System

To understand what Trump is doing, this is the starting point:

1) Trump and his top advisor see tariffs as a source of revenue and

2) a tool, "a means", to pressure a negotiation: "extract negotiation leverage", and

3) the big very big issue of the negotiation would be about Debt Restructuring:

- You (China, Japan, Korea, Singapur) manufacture something and sell it to me, I pay you with a green piece of paper fresh off the printing press, and you use the green piece of paper to buy my Debt maturing in 2-5-10-30 years.

Well

- Now we'll do it this way: for the enormous privilege of receiving green pieces of paper in exchange for your work, You (China, Japan, Korea, Singapur) wil buy (drum roll) nice beuuutiful 100-year "century bond" or 1,000-year debt from me: "Perpetual" Debt.

"Century bond" and "Perpetual" are the expression used in this document

"The U.S. is not likely to sit idly by while China drags out negotiations, so tariffs will likely be imposed to create urgency for any such talks. This is likely still a case of tariffs first, then a deal, because the deal requires some pressure to take form" (Stephen Miran)
 
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zscstephen

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"President Trump has shown tariffs are a means by which he can successfully extract negotiating leverage —and revenue— from trading partners"

Stephen Miner (Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers since March 2025) Guide to Restructuring the Global Trading System

To understand what Trump is doing, this is the starting point:

1) Trump and his top advisor see tariffs as a source of revenue and

2) a tool, "a means", to pressure a negotiation: "extract negotiation leverage", and

3) the big very big issue of the negotiation would be about Debt Restructuring
I may believe these if Trump didn't quote Gordon's advice directly, and my tolerance has become much higher than usual.
 

W20

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This tariff issue has several layers.

The outermost layer is the political show for the entertainment of the populace. And here comrade Gordon has his place in the show

The next layer is the desire for reindustrialization

Further down is the long-term desire to see a lower dollar against other currencies

But

The Big urgent issue is Revenue and Debt.
 

jiajia99

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I still think this trade war is all phony and fake.

There is a lot of this stuff that I do not understand, and how the lying Liberal media portrays it or how Faux News talks about it, makes no sense at all.

1. Apparently China manufacturing economy, is bigger than America, Germany, and Japan, combined.

Now if America appropriates other nations manufacturing capabilities, then how much smaller would Chinese manufacturing be compared to America, Germany, and Japan, combined.

At this point in the telecast, they shove the microphone in front of comrade Chang and let him do his magic and ancient spells.

2. What if the American factory is able to reduce the price of its robot dog from $75,000 thousand to only $20,000 - then what?

Panic time in China! China, China, Chyna!

3. Who is going to buy your output? Like at this point, this conversation is kind of over, like who cares.

Chinese people generally do not buy American cars imported into China. They buy other types of cars mostly. Only Americans from now on will buy most of American car production. They probably cannot buy a Chinese EV.

The American consumer the winner, maybe.

Maybe they can get a deal from president Trump.

Or maybe this guy. More trustworthy.



Damn, a new channel to sub to, quite funny actually
 

zscstephen

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This tariff issue has several layers.

The outermost layer is the political show for the entertainment of the populace. And here comrade Gordon has his place in the show

The next layer is the desire for reindustrialization

Further down is the long-term desire to see a lower dollar against other currencies

But

The Big urgent issue is Revenue and Debt.
Yes, they are possible intentions.

It could work exactly like this if there's a deep state or whatever running everything independently of Trump administration.

Things are starting to get off track this week with tariffs, and it looks like it's basically up to Trump and not the other way around, because he has to keep it real in order to provide a strong basis for negotiations.

The therapy could hardly be foolproof, since quoting Gordon is basically making it impossible that he's playing 4D chess, and I haven't seen any notecard either.
 

W20

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Furthermore, it's important to keep in mind that Donald Trump and his main advisor on this matter (Stephen Miran) are both convinced that the Tariffs will be paid by the exporter, so based on this belief, it's easy to understand their thinking: we (1) gain a source of Revenue/income and at the same time (2) gain an advantage/leverage in negotiating Debt restructuring.

How this gamble will pan out is obviously a different matter, because we're not in 2016 —a small detail that neither Donald nor his advisor, Stephen, may fully understand.
 

JJD1803

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Furthermore, it's important to keep in mind that Donald Trump and his main advisor on this matter (Stephen Miran) are both convinced that the Tariffs will be paid by the exporter, so based on this belief, it's easy to understand their thinking: we (1) gain a source of Revenue/income and at the same time (2) gain an advantage/leverage in negotiating Debt restructuring.

How this gamble will pan out is obviously a different matter, because we're not in 2016 —a small detail that neither Donald nor his advisor, Stephen, may fully understand.
I saw an interview of Stephen Miran on CNBC a few weeks ago where he said “Tariffs is going to make everyone rich.” It was a vague statement. And Lutwick the commerce secretary said “Tariffs are tax cuts.” Another weird statement. There is this theory that Trump and the Republicans congress might abolish the income tax which is insane. It is going to increase the debt by $14 trillion in 10 years. Tariff duties alone is not enough to make up the $2.8 trillion that will be lost if the income tax is gone. That could explain the 100 year treasury bond plan. They know if they go along with this plan it will speed up the bankruptcy of the country. It’s an absurd and stupid plan. And the sad thing is they all think it will work. They have concept of failure. This is going to end in tears.
 
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