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US-China talks nearing agreement for Trump, Xi to review, US trade envoy says​

KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 26 (Reuters) - The second day of trade talks between the U.S. and China was paving the way for a "productive meeting" between President Donald Trump and President Xi Jinping, Washington's top trade envoy said in Kuala Lumpur on Sunday, raising hopes of a deal between the world's two largest economies.

U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent met with Chinese Vice Premier He Lifeng on the sidelines of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations for a fifth round of in-person discussions since May as both sides seek to de-escalate a trade war.

"I think that we're getting to a spot where the leaders will have a very productive meeting," Greer said as he stepped away from the talks to meet Trump. Also participating in the talks is China's top trade negotiator Li Chenggang.

Asked by a reporter if rare earths were discussed at the talks, which started on Saturday, Greer said a broad range of topics were discussed, including extending the truce on trade measures.

Both sides are looking to avert an escalation of their trade war after U.S. President Donald Trump threatened new 100% tariffs on Chinese goods and other trade curbs starting on November 1, in retaliation for China's vastly expanded export controls on rare earth magnets and minerals.

Trump arrived in the Malaysian capital on Sunday morning for the summit, his first stop in a five-day Asia tour that is expected to culminate in a face-to-face with Xi in South Korea.

A positive outcome for the Kuala Lumpur talks would remove roadblocks for the high-stakes meeting to take place on Oct 30.

While the White House has officially announced the highly anticipated Trump-Xi talks, Beijing has yet to confirm that the two leaders will meet.

Among Trump's talking points with Xi are Chinese purchases of U.S. soybeans, concerns around democratically-governed Taiwan which Beijing views as its own territory, and the release of jailed Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai.

The detention of the founder of the now-defunct pro-democracy newspaper Apple Daily has become the most high-profile example of China's crackdown on rights and freedoms in the Asian financial hub.

Trump also said that he would seek China's help in Washington's dealings with Russia, as Moscow's war in Ukraine approaches its fourth year.

U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Sunday that the U.S will not walk away from Taiwan in return for trade benefits with China.

Tensions between the world's two largest economies flared in the past few weeks as a delicate trade truce - reached after their first round of trade talks in Geneva in May and extended in August - failed to prevent the two sides from hitting each other with more sanctions, export curbs and threats of stronger retaliatory measures.

The latest round of talks is likely to centre around China's expanded controls of rare earths exports that have caused a global shortage.

That has prompted the Trump administration to consider a block on "critical software" exports to China, from laptops to jet engines, according to a Reuters report.

A day before the talks commenced, the U.S launched a new tariff investigation into China's "apparent failure" to comply with the "Phase One" trade deal signed in 2020.

The new unfair trade practices probe bolsters Trump's toolkit against China.

Any agreement from Sunday's talks is likely to be fragile as the world’s most important trade relationship, worth $660 billion a year, hangs in the balance.
"I think that we're getting to a spot where the leaders will have a very productive meeting," Greer said as he stepped away from the talks to meet Trump. Also participating in the talks is China's top trade negotiator Li Chenggang.
Asked by a reporter if rare earths were discussed at the talks, which started on Saturday, Greer said a broad range of topics were discussed, including extending the truce on trade measures.

Exactly as expected. Nothing happens and everyone pretends the truce is back until MAGA gets bold and ask for the Chinese to cave their skull in again.
 

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President Donald Trump announced he's adding an extra 10% tariff on Canadian imports over a negative TV commercial featuring a speech by President Ronald Reagan.

Officials in the province of Ontario have said the ad, which protests Trump's tariff policy, will be pulled from the airwaves next week; however, Trump said in a social media post that given the ad was played during Game 1 of the World Series game Friday night, he is increasing duties on Canadian goods.
 

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China's Vice Minister of Commerce and International Trade Representative Li Chenggang said on the 26th that the discussions between the two sides covered a wide range of topics. These included issues of mutual concern such as export controls, the further extension of the tariff truce, fentanyl-related tariffs and cooperation on fentanyl control, the further expansion of trade, and U.S. Section 301 measures on vessel fees. The two sides engaged in constructive discussions on these matters. The U.S. side asserted its position firmly, while China remained steadfast in safeguarding its interests. After more than a day of intensive discussions, the two sides constructively explored solutions to properly address each other's concerns and reached preliminary consensus. The next step will involve each side undertaking their respective internal approval processes.

"美方表达立场是强硬的,中方维护利益是坚定的"​

Translation: Bessent and I yelled at each other for a day and reached no agreement. We barely talked about REE.
 

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"美方表达立场是强硬的,中方维护利益是坚定的"​

Translation: Bessent and I yelled at each other for a day and reached no agreement. We barely talked about REE.

I suppose that half of Bessent's yelling during the meeting would be him taking out on Li Chenggang for scaring/shocking him by joining the trade negotiations in Kuala Lumpur instead of getting fired by Xi.

A truly "Surprise Motherfvcker" moment for him in that negotiation room.
 

FriedButter

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Each time this happens someone in Trump's orbit gets the blame and gets the cold shoulder. The pattern goes:

1. Someone new gets Trump's ears, their opinion is previous person was too soft on China and things are going to change around here
2. They cook up some policy and convince Trump this time it will make China come to him and beg
3. The new policy angers China and China enacts countermeasure, the person is completely blindsided because the China whisperer told him CCP is weak and wouldn't respond
4. Trump's team can't come up with a good countermeasure, so Trump threatens to raise tariffs to save face
5. Trump TACOs and nothing happens
6. That person gets the blame and gets kicked out of Trump's close orbit
7. Go back to step 1

Rubio, Vance, Lutnick, Bessent is well on his way next

The next time China puts another dent in their head is when Trump reimposes tariffs from their phase one agreement. They must not be confident about the Supreme Court ruling on the tariffs. That is the only reason why phase one is being discussed again.

As such the tariffs portion of the truce will be voided and China will have to launch new tariffs in retaliation again. On an sidenote, US Secretary of Commerence Lutnick and US business will soon see a tariff refund of $1 trillion.
 
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