A freeze instead of a deal, with exemptions on some restrictions?
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It's not about not being able to accommodate enough students, it's just that to wealthy and elites education aboard is seen as better. The educational system in China has it's own problems, one of which is the extreme amount of competition and the extreme focus on academics while in some cases completely forgoing other aspects of education. From what I've heard and seen overall mental health for students isn't exactly great in China. For one IMO with decreasing birthrates and thus incoming students China should seriously work on reforming the educational system, with more teachers available relative to students might allow for smaller classes less competition etc.
Yeah, but I think the worry for some members is that there seem to be quite a number of CCP officials and even wealthy Chinese who still dream or want their children to study in the US. I don't think the worries of members on here is about the average Chinese person from a poor or average background. Guess the USA knows this(sure they have records of all these officials children studying there,) so they are willing to use it as leverage as well for negotiations. Which is normal, afterall you use what you have to get what you want, everyone does that (China included)
Most of the time, the most difficult thing to do for any country is reform/change. Usually takes a long time even when you have a leader who is willing to do so, and takes even longer when it's one who doesn't see that as a priority or much of an issue. So yeah reforms are usually very difficult and time consuming
Calm down dude. It's not the end of the world. Just because some concessions were made doesn't change as much in the grand scheme of things. It's better to give in sometimes for a longer term play than engage in immediate confrontation. Afterall, China is still an emerging world power not the establish one. So as far as it doesn't affect Chinas interests or growth as much then its manageable.. China's focus is on its growth and moving up ladder chain.. So some sort of cooperation is still needed with the West..
Or maybe you mean Xi Jinping isn't hawkish enough and should be replaced? Lol I don't think it's that serious.
Ngl, I'm not too sure on how prevalent is it for officials to send their children to the US. Most people around me seem to be from business background and not government. In fact I don't think I've met too many people that studies aboard who's parents worked primarily in a government position granted it's probably smart for people who's parents who actually do to keep quiet about it. However I do know of a friend who's parent worked for the 5th institute(Or as most people know it as CAST) goes to college in the UK because his parents were scared of potential complications of going to the US due to their work. UK right now seems to be the hotspot for Chinese international students IMO especially with the recent US visa suspension.
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I stopped reading and had to take a chuckle break when I saw, "Deal is DONE, just subject to final approval from both sides." That's the definition of NOT done. And obviously, this means that Trump is waiting and praying that Xi approves it... without altering it too much. Honestly, this whole approval thing is another Chinese game to drag things out. Xi doesn't know more about economics than his econ team and if they were serious, they would have come with prepared bottom lines and what they are authorized to do but they'll make the Americans hold their breaths and put them on a string by kicking it around and making changes back and forth, everyone claiming they don't have the final say. They're just playing that stupid old m-f-er.
Trump lies so much I wouldn't even put "if it were true" after what he says. Just assume it's not unless it's proven to be true. Why do we want foreign EUV? We want only Chinese EUV. Buying more foreign ones is a step back for us. I don't even know what we want from them.
And history has shown again and again that whenever it seemed like China has backed off, in reality, it just reoriented itself so it can keep fucking the US from another angle. China didn't go from a wartorn country with lower GDP than India to the number one economy in the world by PPP from making "humiliating" deals.
Already addressed but I don't even think it needed to be. America plays a stupid man's game with blanket tariffs while China targets sectors with variable tariffs. I honestly don't even know what this 10% is about. Try buying a Chevy Corvett or a Coach bag in China and see if it's just 10% more than the price in the US.
You started off well. I thought you were talking about when people were pounding their chests in anguish saying we lost in the negotiations during Trump term one just to later see that the US got basically nothing out of it and went into recession while China did not. But you tilted off and started repeating that mistake instead of pointing it out.
Sometimes it is and sometimes it's not. It is positive to reduce the number of non-STEM students just there for an easy living. It's positive to reduce the number of STEM students who wish to permanently stay in the US, although that decision/intention often changes, especially as they grow special talents rather than just being coding grunts. However, it is negative to reduce the number of Chinese STEM students who go to the US with the carried out intention of coming home either after graduation or later when they become much more seasoned and valuable in their fields.
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