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[SanWenYu]

Deploying 4,700 soldiers apparently costs $134 million dollars.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1932466774366147046

I am curious about where all the money went. In the Chinese history, when some dynasties were in terminal stages, troops of the state standing armies often, before and in battles, had to incentivize the soldiers with bribes from the government, and sometimes even their own commanders. The bureaucrats at the same time were busy embezzling soldier wages and military supplies.

 

[siegecrossbow]

I am curious about where all the money went. In the Chinese history, when some dynasties were in terminal stages, troops of the state standing armies often, before and in battles, had to incentivize the soldiers with bribes from the government, and sometimes even their own commanders. The bureaucrats at the same time were busy embezzling soldier wages and military supplies.

I don’t think there is a direct comparison here. In China military commanders, especially under Tang, can carve out their own fiefdoms where they have control over everything from taxation to mobilization. No such comparison in the states where civilian officials have the final say.

 

[SanWenYu]

I don’t think there is a direct comparison here. In China military commanders, especially under Tang, can carve out their own fiefdoms where they have control over everything from taxation to mobilization. No such comparison in the states where civilian officials have the final say.

I was having Song and Ming in mind. Regardless of who have the final say, my point is whether the soldiers lacked the morale and had to be incentivized with money.

 

[ficker22]

I was having Song and Ming in mind. Regardless of who have the final say, my point is whether the soldiers lacked the morale and had to be incentivized with money.

Rather the other way around, I've had the "pleasure" to talk to some West Point cadets and from the discussion, it became quite apparent, that all the military guys from rank and file to at least captain/ major level leadership are all pro trump.

As such the NG is also in a similar mood and would gladly crush some skulls from illegal immigrants and leftist bolshevists.

But then again WP is basically like a NSDAP Cadreschool, I pity all minorities that are serving there.

 

[SanWenYu]

Rather the other way around, I've had the "pleasure" to talk to some West Point cadets and from the discussion, it became quite apparent, that all the military guys from rank and file to at least major level leadership are all pro trump.


As such the NG is also in a similar mood and would gladly crush some skulls from illegal immigrants and leftist bolshevists.

Then the price tag of 134 million dollars for mobilizing and deploying just 4700 foot soldiers within the country seems to be too high. They don't even need to carry their rifles.

 

[GodRektsNoobs]

Rather the other way around, I've had the "pleasure" to talk to some West Point cadets and from the discussion, it became quite apparent, that all the military guys from rank and file to at least captain/ major level leadership are all pro trump.

As such the NG is also in a similar mood and would gladly crush some skulls from illegal immigrants and leftist bolshevists.

But then again WP is basically like a NSDAP Cadreschool, I pity all minorities that are serving there.

The people you talked to are from the officer class though, which I have no doubt are right wing as with any Western military. However, I'm still not convinced that the regular grunts are all pro-Trump, especially considering that ethnic minorities and immigrants make up a significant amount of the rank-and-file US military members. The divide between the opinions of the officers and regular soldiers remains to be seen. Recall the 2016 Turkish coup, where a sizable amount of officer staff (especially in the Air Force) were anti-Erdogan, but the coup failed because the majority of the soldiers were unsympathetic or indifferent to the goals of the anti-Erdogan officers. This may be especially problematic for Trump in the Hispanic majority areas as many US military personnel are stationed close to their area of origin. If thing really heat up, it may only take a small cadre of anti-Trump officers to agitate a revolt against the pro-Trump officers, and US military is well-known for fragging. I'm sure this doesn't help neither.

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Rather the other way around, I've had the "pleasure" to talk to some West Point cadets and from the discussion, it became quite apparent, that all the military guys from rank and file to at least captain/ major level leadership are all pro trump.

As such the NG is also in a similar mood and would gladly crush some skulls from illegal immigrants and leftist bolshevists.

But then again WP is basically like a NSDAP Cadreschool, I pity all minorities that are serving there.

I seriously hope that GWOT Chinese vets in both Canada and US will draw a line on the US government supporting Uyghur Jihadist and Imperial Japan worshippers and Taiwan.

 

[FriedButter]

Then the price tag of 134 million dollars for mobilizing and deploying just 4700 foot soldiers within the country seems to be too high. They don't even need to carry their rifles.

Cost Estimates is for 60 days.

“Acting Pentagon Comptroller Bryn Woollacott MacDonnell said that estimate is largely based on costs of housing, travel and food for the troops.”

 

[FriedButter]

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Trump warns that LA military deployment could be first 'of many' in response to ICE protests​

President Donald Trump and his administration officials warned that the use of the military in response to protests against his immigration crackdown may not be limited to just Los Angeles, saying it could be the first "of many" -- and that protesters could be met with "equal or greater force."

Trump told reporters in the Oval Office on Tuesday that his administration was going to enforce its deportation policy strictly and that it would not tolerate violent protests against ICE officers.

"This is the first, perhaps, of many," Trump said of the deployment of 4,000 National Guardsmen and 700 Marines to Los Angeles as demonstrators clash with law enforcement amid the protests.

Demonstrators have clashed with law enforcement sporadically for days, and Trump called in the National Guard, against Gov. Gavin Newsom's wishes, in an attempt to quell the violence and allow immigration enforcement to continue.

"You know, if we didn't attack this one very strongly, you'd have them all over the country, but I can inform the rest of the country, that when they do it, if they do it, they're going to be met with equal or greater force," Trump continued.

The president's threats come as California's leaders and 22 Democratic governors decry Trump's show of force as a breach of the state's sovereignty and a provocative escalation.

Trump's words were echoed in testimony given by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth during a congressional hearing on Capitol Hill earlier in the day.

"So in Los Angeles, we believe that ICE, which is a federal law enforcement agency, has the right to safely conduct operations in any state, in any jurisdiction in the country," Hegseth said. "ICE agents should be allowed to be safe and doing their operations, and we have deployed National Guard and the Marines to protect them in the execution of their duties, because we ought to be able to enforce ... immigration law in this country."

The president suggested he is open to invoking the Insurrection Act in response to the protests. The act authorizes the president to deploy military forces inside the United States to suppress rebellion or violence.

The National Guard and Marines, under Trump's current authorization, are not allowed to act in a law enforcement capacity because of the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act.

"There were areas of Los Angeles last night where you could call it an insurrection," Trump said

Trump repeated claims, without evidence, that the protesters are "paid insurrectionists." He decried some protesters who were damaging streets and targeting members of the National Guard.

Despite claims from Trump that there were fires and "bad scenes" on Monday night, there wasn't anything all that violent. ABC News observed police moved protesters using skirmish lines and less lethal rounds around the city for a few hours, but there was no widespread violence compared to the weekend.

And although Trump claimed that Los Angeles was "under siege," the incidents had been confined on Sunday and Monday to a relatively small area of downtown Los Angeles -- about a 10-block area.

So far, the National Guard's presence and role in handling the protests appears to have been minimal.

ABC News observed National Guard troops standing outside of a federal building and the Los Angeles Police Department and other local agencies clearing the streets and interacting with protesters.

The administration has not immediately provided details about the guardsman's actions from Monday.

Congressional Republicans -- including House Speaker Mike Johnson and Senate Majority Leader John Thune -- backed the president's use of the military in the situation.

"Clearly, the local officials there, for whatever reason, didn't seem up to the task of getting the job done there," Thune told reporters Tuesday.

Although Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said "violence in the riots is outrageous," he called Trump's order to send in troops "provocative" and "dangerous."

"It really threatens the bedrock of our democracy," the New York Democrat said.

Trump said the National Guard will be in the Los Angeles area "until there's no danger," declining to put a timetable on ending the deployment.

"It's easy. Look, it's common sense. … When there's no danger, they'll leave," he said.

may not be limited to just Los Angeles, saying it could be the first "of many" -- and that protesters could be met with "equal or greater force."

The president suggested he is open to invoking the Insurrection Act in response to the protests. The act authorizes the president to deploy military forces inside the United States to suppress rebellion or violence.

 

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