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AndrewS

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The US military is more dependent on Musk than Musk is dependent on federal contracts. SpaceX, Starshield, Starlink - all absolutely a requirement in the current warfare environment. Threatening to nationalize Musk's companies only implies that they will devolve into NASA like structures, which means in the long run - destroying the ability of the US to project power. Given these empty threats - Musk holds all the cards in the Musk-Trump feud.

Also remember that most SpaceX launches are for Starlink satellites, not government launches
 

Captainquirk

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The US military is more dependent on Musk than Musk is dependent on federal contracts. SpaceX, Starshield, Starlink - all absolutely a requirement in the current warfare environment. Threatening to nationalize Musk's companies only implies that they will devolve into NASA like structures, which means in the long run - destroying the ability of the US to project power. Given these empty threats - Musk holds all the cards in the Musk-Trump feud.
No one is going to nationalize musk’s companies.

But plenty of ways to make life complicated for Elon with regulations, permits, etc.
 

Mt1701d

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But plenty of ways to make life complicated for Elon with regulations, permits, etc
Not sure that’s a smart move, while both SpaceX and the US is dependent on each other, the US needs SpaceX far more. All the other US launch vehicle programs are meh at best and down right failures at worst. The US won’t and probably can’t depend on other countries launch programs either, at least for some programs.

I know NASA has a contract with a New Zealand based reusable launch vehicle program but that’s still in the prototype phase.

Making things difficult for Elon is a double edged sword, the US will be requiring a lot of space launches for new assets and replacements. The US doesn’t really have options while SpaceX certainly has, they just need to move out of the US and many countries will welcome them with open arms.
 

Captainquirk

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Not sure that’s a smart move, while both SpaceX and the US is dependent on each other, the US needs SpaceX far more. All the other US launch vehicle programs are meh at best and down right failures at worst. The US won’t and probably can’t depend on other countries launch programs either, at least for some programs.

I know NASA has a contract with a New Zealand based reusable launch vehicle program but that’s still in the prototype phase.

Making things difficult for Elon is a double edged sword, the US will be requiring a lot of space launches for new assets and replacements. The US doesn’t really have options while SpaceX certainly has, they just need to move out of the US and many countries will welcome them with open arms.
SpaceX is a special case. But Elon’s empire spans from X to Tesla.

Government can easily force Tesla to have more recalls for example. Slow down roll out of Robotaxi is another.
 

Mt1701d

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SpaceX is a special case. But Elon’s empire spans from X to Tesla.

Government can easily force Tesla to have more recalls for example. Slow down roll out of Robotaxi is another.
Again, not the best move. I know there are many other fields where the US can interfere with but most if not all are at the forefront of their respective fields, not necessarily the best as Elon likes to overhype but at the forefront nonetheless, getting in the way is ultimately a detriment to the US as a whole.

You have to remember that these are companies not government entities and as all companies do, they have the option to move, tho it might be painful and wasteful, but it is an options nonetheless.
 

zyklon

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Not sure that’s a smart move, while both SpaceX and the US is dependent on each other, the US needs SpaceX far more.

The US can nationalize SpaceX, as well as the rest of Musk's assets. Fairly sure it's already been proposed by Steve Bannon, if not other prominent Trump allies.

It won't be a pretty precedent, but that's not going to stop the current administration if push comes to shove.

The US doesn’t really have options while SpaceX certainly has, they just need to move out of the US and many countries will welcome them with open arms.

That would give cause for the Trump administration to immediately seize control of SpaceX from Musk, if not incarcerate him while they're at it.
 

Mt1701d

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The US can nationalize SpaceX, as well as the rest of Musk's assets. Fairly sure it's already been proposed by Steve Bannon, if not other prominent Trump allies.

It won't be a pretty precedent, but that's not going to stop the current administration if push comes to shove.



That would give cause for the Trump administration to immediately seize control of SpaceX from Musk, if not incarcerate him while they're at it.
The problem is that, this has a far reaching fallout that I think even Trump and the administration will have to think twice. Doing this means Trump can kiss re-industrialisation goodbye and literally do what they claim in their CIA ads that China does.

Steve Bannon can say whatever the hell he wants, he needs the clickbait to stay relevant.
 

Captainquirk

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Again, not the best move. I know there are many other fields where the US can interfere with but most if not all are at the forefront of their respective fields, not necessarily the best as Elon likes to overhype but at the forefront nonetheless, getting in the way is ultimately a detriment to the US as a whole.

You have to remember that these are companies not government entities and as all companies do, they have the option to move, tho it might be painful and wasteful, but it is an options nonetheless.
Tesla definitely lost its crown. Level 2 autonomous driving at best.
Again, not the best move. I know there are many other fields where the US can interfere with but most if not all are at the forefront of their respective fields, not necessarily the best as Elon likes to overhype but at the forefront nonetheless, getting in the way is ultimately a detriment to the US as a whole.

You have to remember that these are companies not government entities and as all companies do, they have the option to move, tho it might be painful and wasteful, but it is an options nonetheless.
Only area Elon is at the forefront is SpaceX.
 

zyklon

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The problem is that, this has a far reaching fallout that I think even Trump and the administration will have to think twice.

Since when did Trump ever think twice about the potential fallout of his policies?

Was this before or after Trump decided 145% tariffs on Chinese goods would be good for the American economy?

Doing this means Trump can kiss re-industrialisation goodbye

So you're telling us Trump's re-industrialization efforts actually, at least for now, still have a chance of succeeding?
 
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