Trump 2.0 official thread

iewgnem

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That's one hell of The Art Of The Deal coming out of you, Donnie. ROFL

Just like COVID, Americans love to optimize for max pain. 65% tariff will still kill off most American retail business, most shipping still going to stay away, China wont lower recripical tariff one bit for it, RE ban still in place, only difference is they exchange total collapse with hyerinfation.

And thats assuming China lets them.

There is no going back to the before times.
 

JamesRed

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That's one hell of The Art Of The Deal coming out of you, Donnie. ROFL

Treasuries down 10%, equities down 10%, and the dollar down 10%. It's a complete devaluation of all of US held assets. The Trump administration backed themselves into a corner and had no choice but to reduce the China tariffs. The saving grace was Macron claiming the euro will become the next reserve currency, which foreshadowed the reversal of the EUR/USD chart.
 

iewgnem

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A manage decline and settlement into a much reduced, but still comfortable position was China’s preferred solution to dealing with America, but that went out the window when Trump tried to destroy China’s economic future.

You can’t start a fight to the death and then call time out when it looks like you are the one who is going to die. Some moves can’t be walked back, because at its core, the total breakdown of trust is irrevocable. Just what assurances can Trump and America give China that it won’t try to kill China’s economy ever again that China can believe them? And this goes beyond just Trump, because the silence across the American political spectrum about him crossing this most fundamental of red lines is deafening and speaks all that needs to be said. No one in power in America sees Trump’s attempt to destroy China’s economic future as wrong. They just didn’t think the way he went about that is best. How can you have any trust with someone who wants you dead? Without that most bare minimum of trust, what relationships can you have with them?

The economic relationship between China and America is irrevocably destroyed now. Full decoupling is in full swing, and China is driving that as much as America with Boeing delivery refusals and rare earth bans. I would go as far as to say that China is swinging into full war prep now, although there will be much deliberate concealment of that decision and the nature of arms procurement means that definitive proof probably won’t be seen for years. Much of the war prep will probably be disguised as economic stimulus to mitigate the economic impacted of the decoupling.

I think a countdown is now underway in Beijing. The key question of whether that is for the economic death blow to America, or for full kinetic warfare is probably irrelevant and academic at this point, as I think China will feel it needs to be fully prepared for the later even if it only intends the former, and if it is prepared for the later, when the time comes, will it even bother to limit itself just to the former?
The prep started a long time ago, including kinetic option. America's behavior is nothing if not predictable, and its not like they've been subtle about it since all the way back to Obama.

Fundementally I think most people still see this as an American attack with China on defence, that China prepared out of caution, I think they grossly undestimate China's inherent desire to fight and that the prep was really for an offensive thats timed to trigger when US arrives at this predictable point of desperation
 

Surpluswarrior

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The Death of Affordable Computing | Tariffs Impact & Investigation​


These guys took a week off their regular programming to investigate how Trump's tariffs affected the affordability of computing hardware for American consumers.

The uncertainty created by the tariffs, as well as the tariffs themselves, not only add costs to hardware, but make it no longer viable to produce certain things in the United States. As everyone here knows, much U.S. 'manufacturing' involves components sourced from China and elsewhere, and items such as motherboards are characteristic of that pattern.

 

FriedButter

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That's one hell of The Art Of The Deal coming out of you, Donnie. ROFL

Treasuries down 10%, equities down 10%, and the dollar down 10%. It's a complete devaluation of all of US held assets. The Trump administration backed themselves into a corner and had no choice but to reduce the China tariffs.

Sounds like a trick. IMO Navarro was probably driven out of after his plan imploded. Now Bessant and Lutnick is in charge. In “exchange” for this tariff relief, China needs to fundamentally change their economy which naturally is in favor of the West while also lowering the tariff barrier.

Kinda like their Russia “peace deal.” US recognizes Crimea but NATO will deploy troops along the entire Russia border as an “reassurance force” as part of Kellogg/Trump plan. China gets lower tariff but must restructure their economy in a way that benefits the West.

Bessent outlines plan to restore ‘equilibrium’ to world financial system​

“China needs to change,” Bessent said. “The country knows it needs to change. Everyone knows it needs to change. And we want to help it change—because we need rebalancing too.”

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Treasury Sec. Bessent says China, U.S. have ‘opportunity for a big deal’ on trade​

“If they want to rebalance, let’s do it together,” Bessent said during an appearance at the Institute of International Trade and Finance in Washington, D.C
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A White House official later told CNBC that such a move would have to be bilateral, however, with China lowering trade barriers as well.

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manqiangrexue

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That's one hell of The Art Of The Deal coming out of you, Donnie. ROFL

GAAAYYYYYY!!!! This dude went from, "No negotiations with China until they unliaterally remove their tariffs," to unilaterally removing his own tariffs without even getting China to talk. LOSER!!!!

This ain't as fun as it used to be... it's like going on a hunt then realizing that the deer don't wanna live anymore so they just lined up right in the parking lot for you to shoot... :mad:
 

Surpluswarrior

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Looks as if the "Death of Affordable Computing" documentary had been posted a few pages back... Shame, as I usually check back 3-4 pages before posting.

Another interesting video is by a trucker who didn't vote for Trump. He explains for the benefit of an audience not educated about tariffs what Trump's trade war is doing to the trucking industry. (Contains swearing).


Truckers for Trump are about to be unemployed. - YouTube​


 
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