Trade War with China

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Another quality thought provocative article from Nikkei. Not your usual western MSM propaganda.

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US-China trade war threatens Japan's 'indirect exports'
Value-added shipments to China made up 5% of Japan's 2015 exports

YASUO TAKEUCHI, Nikkei staff writer March 05, 2019 14:40 JST
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U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, left, and Chinese Vice Premier Liu He are leading trade talks between the two countries. © Reuters

TOKYO -- Companies that form supply chains for Chinese exporters are still waiting to see if they will be spared the impact of higher U.S. tariffs after President Donald Trump said the levies would be put
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pending further talks.

The trade dispute reverberates far beyond the two combatants. $34.6 billion worth of Japanese goods made their way to the U.S. and other markets via China in 2015, the latest year for which an analysis is possible. That’s about 5% of Japan’s exports for that year.

The figure shows how value added in Japan gets to the U.S. in the form of exports from China. It also highlights the risk intensified trade tensions pose to Japan. More trade barriers between the U.S. and China would mean less demand for Japanese goods.


The impact on "indirect exports" can be appreciated by looking at Trade in Added-Value data compiled by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

Using conventional measures, if a country exports $60 worth of parts to China that are then re-exported to the U.S. as part of $100 worth of finished products, that country's export figures would be booked as $60 and China's as $100.

Using TiVA measurements, they would be recorded as $60 and $40, respectively.

China is a larger export market for Japan than the U.S. on a customs-clearance basis, buying 22.1% of its exports according to the OECD. But the TiVA data show the U.S. as the bigger market, accounting for 22.2% of Japan's exports.

Japan's Cabinet Office has warned that these value-added exports would suffer from the trade war.

At $490 billion, information and communications equipment is China's biggest export. 3.3% of that represents value added in Japan. Much of that is handled by companies like Huawei Technologies, which is the target of U.S. government security measures. That means the Japanese shipments are also at risk.

Japan's value-added contribution to China's other exports are 0.8% for textiles and garments, 2% for electronic machinery and 1.6% for general machinery.

Japan's January exports to China were valued at over 958 billion yen ($8.6 billion) on a customs-clearance basis, down 17% from a year earlier. The fall was in part due to slowing domestic smartphone sales, which resulted in a drop in shipments of parts and semiconductors, according to the Japanese finance ministry.

The slide has widely been attributed to China's economic slowdown, but another decline would be unavoidable if trade frictions escalate further.

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Japan is not the only country affected. In 2015, value added overseas contributed $370 billion, or 19%, of China's $2-trillion in exports. Japan's contribution to that figure is 1.8%, while those of South Korea and Taiwan stand at 2.2% and 1.7%, respectively.

The U.S. itself accounts for 2.1%, meaning some American companies could suffer if Chinese exports slow.

If the U.S. hikes tariffs to 25% on $267 billion worth of Chinese products and Beijing retaliated on a similar scale, the growth rates of the two countries would drop 0.3 and 0.9 percentage point, respectively, in 2020, according to the International Monetary Fund.

"Many countries supplying parts to China would be indirectly affected," said Akihiro Morishige, senior economist at Mitsubishi Research Institute.
 

tidalwave

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China has amended some of things to appease US.
1)Scrapping the make-in-China 2025 plan. No more mentioning of such plan anymore and allow more foreign companies to participate.
2)Passing law to prohibit tech transfer when joint venture with foreign companies.
3)Offered to buy more US agricultural products.
 

antiterror13

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China has amended some of things to appease US.
1)Scrapping the make-in-China 2025 plan. No more mentioning of such plan anymore and allow more foreign companies to participate.
2)Passing law to prohibit tech transfer when joint venture with foreign companies.
3)Offered to buy more US agricultural products.

more likely
1. scraping made in China 2025 words ... but the plan is mostly intake
2. the law is prohibiting of "forcing" tech transfer ... but tech transfer will still happening but not "forced"
3. I agree
 

tidalwave

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more likely
1. scraping made in China 2025 words ... but the plan is mostly intake
2. the law is prohibiting of "forcing" tech transfer ... but tech transfer will still happening but not "forced"
3. I agree
US will not be satisfied. I think no deal.
The Deng xiao ping followers will blame Xi, saying it's all his fault.
 

Max Demian

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As usual, you exaggerate.
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I am just trying to stay realistic. Here's the latest update and prediction from a reputable source:
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Undeniably, very robust growth ahead. Pay attention to the percentage of non PRC headquartered companies' share of IC manufacturing in the mainland.
 

Biscuits

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China has amended some of things to appease US.
1)Scrapping the make-in-China 2025 plan. No more mentioning of such plan anymore and allow more foreign companies to participate.
2)Passing law to prohibit tech transfer when joint venture with foreign companies.
3)Offered to buy more US agricultural products.

1) it represents a “prediction”, not a “plan”. It is impossible to scrap it, unless China fundamentally shifted it’s society towards a new direction to render the prediction untrue.

2) They made tech transfer harder, which is just obfuscating to preventing foreign companies from gaining access to transferred tech. Ostensibly, companies want to sell as much as possible and transfer lots for money, but CPC only wants to send the bare minimum since they want to keep others dependent. This is an internal dispute between major companies and the govt. What Trump achieved is just tipping scales on the govt’s side and accelerating something they wanted done. Chinese companies may suffer a little from it though.

3) this is Nth time we have heard that, without results. Agriculture is what people eat, and most people except those with no choice simply don’t want the vast majority of American foods. Only thing state can do is to make America supplier in it’s own event catering. And if they started serving American to government officials, officials would just start bringing lunch boxes.

All three Trump win claims are highly fraudulent. 1 & 3 are not based in reality while 2 is a net loss to foreign companies.
 
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Franklin

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This article makes my point. That the trade deficit are caused by internal problems of the US rather than foreigner stiffing the Americans. The trade deficit is not only at a record with China but also with Europe and Latin America as well.

U.S. trade deficit jumped to 10-year high; record gap with China

The U.S. trade deficit jumped nearly 19 per cent in December, pushing the trade imbalance for all of 2018 to widen to a decade-long high of $621-billion. The gap with China on goods widened to an all-time record of $419.2-billion.

The Commerce Department figures released Wednesday undermined a key commitment by President Donald Trump, who promised to cut the trade imbalance on the belief that it would bring back overseas factory jobs and bolster the broader U.S. economy.

But America’s dependence on imports appears to have increased after the tariffs that Trump imposed last year on foreign steel, aluminum and Chinese products. An acceleration in economic growth last year from Trump’s debt-funded tax cuts helped to boost the appetite for foreign goods.

The gap between what the United States sells and what it buys from other countries rose to $59.8-billion in December from $50.3-billion in November, the Commerce Department said. Adjusted for inflation, December was the highest imbalance on trade goods in U.S. history.

On an annual basis, the trade gap widened 12.5 per cent. The trade gap reached the largest total since 2008, when it was $708.7-billion. That imbalance fell in the aftermath of that year’s financial crisis as the United States and other nations plunged into severe recessions.

December’s trade imbalance worsened because U.S. imports rose 2.1 per cent as Americans bought more household appliances, cellphones and computer products from abroad. Simultaneously, U.S. exports fell 1.9 per cent as foreign demand for civilian aircraft and oil products declined.

Trump hit roughly half of Chinese imports with taxes last year, a move designed to kickstart trade negotiations with the goal of increasing exports to that country and stopping the forced turnover of U.S. technology and theft of intellectual property.

China retaliated, and the simmering trade war roiled financial markets last year. U.S. and Chinese officials have recently signalled that they’re close to some kind of agreement, although China has only bolstered its commitment to investing in and developing its technology sector and questions about how to enforce any trade rules remain.

In addition to a record trade gap in goods with China, the imbalance reached new peaks with Mexico ($81.5-billion) and the European Union ($169.3-billion). The United States ran a record surplus last year with South and Central America.

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This article makes my point. That the trade deficit are caused by internal problems of the US rather than foreigner stiffing the Americans. The trade deficit is not only at a record with China but also with Europe and Latin America as well.



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Real and credible economists and business school professors all already know this. It's the ignorant laymen that are the problem.
 

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I am just trying to stay realistic. Here's the latest update and prediction from a reputable source:
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Undeniably, very robust growth ahead. Pay attention to the percentage of non PRC headquartered companies' share of IC manufacturing in the mainland.

So? The IC Insights article (whose reputation is unknown to me) is merely saying what a sensible person would think, that a semiconductor fab is a large project and takes years to get going. But Chinese semiconductor manufacturing is growing fast.

According to the article, from 2018 to 2023, the growth rate will be 15% compounded annually (CAGR). That means a doubling every 5 years. If this growth rate is sustained, by 2038 China's semiconductor manufacturing capacity will be 16 times larger than it was last year, or more than twice the size of the entire global IC market of $155 billion in 2018.

As China is by far the largest single market for semiconductors, the growth rate will likely stay high.

I don't know if China's IC manufacturing will actually reach $300 billion a year, but it will be huge. If anything, the rest of the world's semiconductor manufacturing capacity, combined, will start looking small compared to China's.
 
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