Trade War with China

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gelgoog

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It also ignores what I have read elsewhere. Most of the fentanyl in the USA does not even come from China.
It is a synthetic drug. It can be made basically anywhere.

Plus a lot of the addicts in the USA got into opioids in the first place because of things like OxyContin being widely prescribed for doctors for things like back pain.
The US pharma industry profited immensely from this scam. I still remember getting Vicodin spam in my inbox a couple years back.

Heck even here in Europe a doctor recently prescribed that crap to my elderly mother. When I saw the prescription I told her that it was an opioid and that she should just shred that prescription and take ibuprofen. She got better in a week with ibuprofen and stopped taking it.

Opioids should only be prescribed for the terminally ill and even then only under supervision in my opinion.
 
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20:06, 15-Feb-2019
Opinion: What's behind fruitful Sino-U.S. trade talks?
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The latest round of Sino-U.S. trade talks wrapped up with a positive tone on Friday. After two days of high-level talks, Chinese President Xi Jinping
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with U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and Treasury Secretary Steven Munchin, noting that there have been critical progressive achievements made after the talks, and both sides will meet again in Washington next week. Lighthizer and Munchin also responded that they do have hope for the tough work lies ahead. It seems that the positive momentum for Sino-U.S. trade talks are not waning and both sides are committed to putting out the fire of the trade war.

The trade war was unilaterally launched by Trump to close U.S. trade deficits with China. But after months of on-again-off-again talks, the capricious President has eventually realized that the United States cannot afford a lasting trade fight with the second largest economy.

American citizens and corporations are the first to bear the brunt. Trump's tariffs on Chinese imports cover a wide variety of everyday products such as apparel and shoes. As a result, American consumers will have to absorb extra costs for basic necessities and grassroots citizens. Also, the main supportive force for Trump's 2016 election victory, are especially vulnerable to tariff hikes.

Feeling the pinch from trade spats, many American companies were forced to either scale down their operations or pass along the price increase. A slew of quintessential brands, for instance, iconic Harley-Davidson, BMW and Whirlpool, all have voiced complaints against Trump's protectionist endeavors.

A poll by Fox News suggests that Trump's disapproval rate is as high as 53.4 percent, which many believe is due in part to the President's unilateral trade war with China. Moreover, as the Democrats clawed their way back to a majority in the House of Representatives, Trump will, for sure, squeeze political room into his remaining two years in office, of which the just-concluded governmental shutdown, the longest in U.S. history, is a typical example.

The businessman-turned-politician is calculative enough to understand that terminating the fight and reviving ties with the second largest economy is the easiest way for him to boost the chances of being re-elected in 2020. This is the main reason for his softened stance on China.

Since the outbreak of the trade war, the Chinese side has been actively coordinating with the United States for the well-being of the global economy. As a gesture of goodwill, China pledged to buy an additional five million tonnes of American soybeans, review foreign investment laws and even set up an intellectual property rights court under the Supreme Court. The country has showcased its utmost sincerity in alleviating U.S. concerns.

As a firm supporter for reform and opening-up, China is very willing to expand its economy to the outside world and share its development dividends with other countries, as long as it satisfies people's needs for a better life. Last year's China International Import Expo, for instance, shows strong evidence of China's endeavors in promoting free trade and supporting the multilateral trading system.

But in the meantime, China will never compromise on issues concerning its economic sovereignty or national security, for instance, the country's socialist system, which is also a lightning rod in Sino-U.S. trade spats. No concessions will be made at the sacrifice of China's fundamental interests. It is the United States that should make a change in this regard and learn to respect different development paths and systems of other countries.

The past several rounds of negotiations have already narrowed down the major trade divergences between the two sides. The remaining spats are unlikely to overwhelm the world's most important pair of bilateral relations, the development of which is witnessing an upward spiral.

Admittedly, capricious Trump is highly likely to retract his words on the trade issue. But this business tycoon has the intelligence to distinguish GOP's and Washington's fundamental interests from the art of the deal.

We should have the confidence that the Beijing-Washington relationship, despite the ups and downs, will move in the right track of cooperation that is benefiting not only the two countries but also the entire world.
 

tidalwave

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Here's Trump quote of the day.
"The tariffs are hurting China very badly. They don't want them and frankly if we can make the deal it would be my honor to remove them."

Slowdown in China has decimated US companies revenue in China and their stocks took a beating.

Trump urgently wants a deal now because China slowndown will affect US economy and possibly recession.

Like I said before China slowdown now like a disease and US wants to avoid badly

It wouldn't be a bad idea if China take US for a ride. China slowdown and US recession. Justice is served by waging trade war. A price needed to be paid.

I am against compromise, and concession for a trade deal.
 

gelgoog

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The US economy was already headed for a recession. The trade war is only precipitating it.
For the near future however China should still be interested in keeping the US trade flowing.
But not at any cost unlike what Trump thinks.
 

Biscuits

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Here's Trump quote of the day.
"The tariffs are hurting China very badly. They don't want them and frankly if we can make the deal it would be my honor to remove them."

Slowdown in China has decimated US companies revenue in China and their stocks took a beating.

Trump urgently wants a deal now because China slowndown will affect US economy and possibly recession.

Like I said before China slowdown now like a disease and US wants to avoid badly

It wouldn't be a bad idea if China take US for a ride. China slowdown and US recession. Justice is served by waging trade war. A price needed to be paid.

I am against compromise, and concession for a trade deal.

Overall the impact is minuscule compared to what happened to the US economy last year... If trump says a deal is profitable, that probably means the reverse is true.

China needs to keep a cool head and continue to drag US deeper into the trade war on all levels. But not so fast as to frighten them into a deal immediately.

Mueller is closing in on Ivanka, so Donald Trump’s own days are numbered. Whatever offensive China needs to conduct should be delayed until Trump is impeached or begin an open power struggle inside the US.

That way, the interim president will be left with Trump’s hot mess along with a true “all of society” attack from China, incorporating sanctions, extraterritorial campaigns and widespread boycotts. Under such conditions, it’s likely that US will panic and be willing to sign off large concessions in exchange for ceasefire.

It’s Xi’s big chance to decide the great power struggle without firing a single shot and writing himself into history.
 

tidalwave

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Overall the impact is minuscule compared to what happened to the US economy last year... If trump says a deal is profitable, that probably means the reverse is true.

China needs to keep a cool head and continue to drag US deeper into the trade war on all levels. But not so fast as to frighten them into a deal immediately.

Mueller is closing in on Ivanka, so Donald Trump’s own days are numbered. Whatever offensive China needs to conduct should be delayed until Trump is impeached or begin an open power struggle inside the US.

That way, the interim president will be left with Trump’s hot mess along with a true “all of society” attack from China, incorporating sanctions, extraterritorial campaigns and widespread boycotts. Under such conditions, it’s likely that US will panic and be willing to sign off large concessions in exchange for ceasefire.

It’s Xi’s big chance to decide the great power struggle without firing a single shot and writing himself into history.

If Knucklehead pence comes to power after trump, it could be even more , he is is very neocon, unlike business oriented Trump. In fact, neocons are telling antsy Trump not to jump into any deal now without China surrendering structural changes.

Yes, prolonging the trade war and see US in recession would be the right choice
 

tidalwave

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The US economy was already headed for a recession. The trade war is only precipitating it.
For the near future however China should still be interested in keeping the US trade flowing.
But not at any cost unlike what Trump thinks.

The US trade flow you talking about is only low tech stuffs for living while US will continue its political prosecution of Huawei and other Chinese tech, deal or no deal regardless. if US in economic trouble it will automatically allow those low tech trade flow because they are needed. That's why time is not on US side. It wants a deal now before it encounter recession then it will lose leverage


It will automatically take care on its own, China doesn't need to do anything for low tech trade

US now holding China hostage by telling if you want to develop tech then your traditional business will suffer and alot of your citizens will be affected. This will not last.
 

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I find it an interesting read. And it shows how much of the gravity of the global economy has shifted away from the towards the east.
I remembered when I was a young student that the biggest shipping ports in the world were mostly located in USA, Europe and Japan.
Now the highlights frim the above link are:
7 out of the 10 biggest ports in the world are in China.
66% of world trade passes through China control ports or ports with chinese investments.
Shanghai ports saw increases of 71% in the last decade alone.
It just to goes to show that the US strategy to contain China maybe a little too late.
When I was a student. People used to say that when America sneezes, the world catches a cold. I think the time has come when China sneezes..... etc.
 

Biscuits

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If Knucklehead pence comes to power after trump, it could be even more , he is is very neocon, unlike business oriented Trump. In fact, neocons are telling antsy Trump not to jump into any deal now without China surrendering structural changes.

Yes, prolonging the trade war and see US in recession would be the right choice

Pence is closely connected to Trump. It is unlikely that Mueller will let any of them go free without harrasing them first.

Xi has got a strong strategy nailed down. He’s constantly dangling the promise of concessions in front of Trump without actually giving him anything. Meanwhile, he’s baiting US deeper into the hole and setting up a decisive strike.

Reminds me of Cao Cao negotiating with Yuan Shao at Guandu
 
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China and the United States will continue economic and trade consultations in Washington next week, after reaching consensus in principle on major issues during their high-level Beijing talks which concluded on Friday

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