Trade War with China

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tidalwave

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No they don't.

Look at the level of R&D spending in Russia and Iran.

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They simply don't have the spending levels and manpower to make much difference in technology development.
And since they are under sanctions, it means technology imports/development is severely constrained.

The only areas which make some sense to cooperate with are aerospace and military tech in Russia.
In every other realm, China is already equal to or better.

Plus Russia and Iran are small economies, so they can't offer a large domestic market for technology products either.

And there is no way that China should make Iran an ally. It will simply drag China into the endless (and unresolvable) conflicts in the Middle East.
And it is not in China's interest to make Russia a formal ally either. Otherwise China will be draPishegged into the land wars in Europe.

Alot of Iranian Compatriots Semiconductors working at US like Bayati, Benhadzi, Khosrwoshahi, Pishevar, Nozad, ,..etc. They can be recruited by iran like China recruiting the thousand talents, bringing the tech Home!

Russians are good at science and physics good for developing equipments,

Good luck for US trying to catch all those Chinese, Russian and Iranian Spies.

This is joint semiconductor development breaking US monopoly , has nothing to do with War, don't be paranoid!
 

AndrewS

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China won't be dragged into middle east or europe if it becomes allies with Russia and Iran. They are already allies in many ways with regional geopolitics and interests of Russia and China both tied to a stable and friendly Iran, in a region that is a mess of conflicts. China would do well to bring in Iranian and Russian experts and encourage cooperation in science and research both commercial and military. Relying on yourself here is not always the best policy. Bringing these big three together would provide more dynamic spaces and direction for exploration. There is little risk of military threat from scientific cooperation. Economic wealth and technology has usually brought higher living standards and fewer reasons for conflict. Co-prosperity is the only way for peace.

There are almost no Iran science/technology experts.
That is what happens when a country literally spends almost zero on R&D, and has been under sanctions for decades. Just look at the figures for yourself.

Most of the best Russian science/technology experts have already left for the USA or Europe.
Most of Russia's R&D spending is government related ie. military related.
Russia doesn't have a broad-based or deep civilian technology sector.
And China has always been active in employing Russian military tech guys.

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China needs to work more with places like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and Singapore, which do have advanced scientific/technology establishments.

Whilst these countries may be US military allies, they do want good relations with China.
They can't escape the fact that they are geographical neighbours with a China that eclipses them from an economic and a military perspective.

And if these countries decide that they do not want a conflict with China, then the nearest US base is Guam, which is some 3000km distant from China.
 

tidalwave

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There are almost no Iran science/technology experts.
That is what happens when a country literally spends almost zero on R&D, and has been under sanctions for decades. Just look at the figures for yourself.
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Thats aboslutely false. Iranians are proud people and in fact very much science and engineering educated although lacking real experiences.

Yeah, right South Korea and japan working with US tryiing to keep semiconductor tech away from China.

China right now get ready to slap huge fines on Samsung and Hynix and Micron for collusion and engaged in Monopoly behaviors in China market and trying to stymie China memory startups.

What you proposed are completely false info.
 

AndrewS

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Alot of Iranian Compatriots Semiconductors working at US like Bayati, Benhadzi, Khosrwoshahi, Pishevar, Nozad, ,..etc. They can be recruited by iran like China recruiting the thousand talents, bringing the tech Home!

Russians are good at science and physics good for developing equipments,

Good luck for US trying to catch all those Chinese, Russian and Iranian Spies.

This is joint semiconductor development breaking US monopoly , has nothing to do with War, don't be paranoid!

You're grasping at straws.

Those Iranians you mentioned all appear to be internet investors. They just fund startups and they are already welcome in China.
But what they don't do is create new companies on their own.
 

tidalwave

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You're grasping at straws.

Those Iranians you mentioned all appear to be internet investors. They just fund startups and they are already welcome in China.
But what they don't do is create new companies on their own.

Benhadzi is UCLA Analog VLSI Circuit Professor with tons of industry experiences.
 

AndrewS

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Thats aboslutely false. Iranians are proud people and in fact very much science and engineering educated although lacking real experiences.

Yeah, right South Korea and japan working with US tryiing to keep semiconductor tech away from China.

China right now get ready to slap huge fines on Samsung and Hynix and Micron for collusion and engaged in Monopoly behaviors.

What you proposed are false info.

I'm absolutely correct.

Iranians are very proud yes. But that doesn't change the fact that Iran spends a pitiful low $0.7B (0.12% of GDP) on R&D.
Germany has the same population, but spends 170x more on R&D.
South Korea has a smaller population, but spends 131x more on R&D.
And if Iran lacks real experience in the latest science and technology, then what can they add?

Yes, South Korea and Japan are trying to keep their semiconductor knowhow to themselves. But that is to be expected because they don't want another competitor. And what can Iran or Russia add in terms of semiconductor tech?

Yes, Samsung and Hynix and Micron are engaging in price fixing. But again, what can Russia or Iran really add?
 
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AndrewS

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Benhadzi is UCLA Analog VLSI Circuit Professor with tons of industry experiences.

Please get his English name correct so we can look him up. It's Behzad Razavi

I'm sure someone in China has already tried to hire him. But he looks pretty old now, so he probably didn't want to leave UCLA or California
 

tidalwave

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I'm absolutely correct.

Iranians are very proud yes. But that doesn't change the fact that Iran spends a pitiful low $0.7B (0.12% of GDP) on R&D. Germany has the same population, but spends 170x more on R&D.
And if Iran lacks real experience in the latest science and technology, then what can they add?

Yes, South Korea and Japan are trying to keep their semiconductor knowhow to themselves. But that is to be expected because they don't want another competitor. And what can Iran or Russia add in terms of semiconductor tech?

Yes, Samsung and Hynix and Micron are engaging in price fixing. But again, what can Russia or Iran really add?

No, China would be one setting fund and location, and integration in China

What China needs is more iranian and russian spies to bringing the knowhow to China to form joint venture.

After jointly developed products, they will be spread out like the new Red Supply chain spread thoroughout central asia, middile east, africa,
 

tidalwave

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Please get his English name correct so we can look him up. It's Behzad Razavi

I'm sure someone in China has already tried to hire him. But he looks pretty old now, so he probably didn't want to leave UCLA or California
young or old, its all good.
 

advill

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In a World that is troubled with serious trade & security problems/issues, those leaders with cool heads, would plan strategic & tactical initiatives & try their level best to overcome them. When dealing with irrational and arrogant leaders, it is like playing Chess & Poker. Sensible leaders will be resolute & make sensible deals for MUTUAL BENEFITS, where possible. I wish all in this Chat Group: "Merry Christmas & may God bless our respective countries with benefits for our fellow citizens, both the Rich & Poor". advill
 
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