Trade War with China

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AndrewS

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It's going to be hard to solve anything sincerely since both sides want to be the top dog, both when it comes to technological prowess, economic clout, political influence in the world, etc. Theoretically, China hasn't shown so explicitly they want to be at the top, though US has. Until that desire changes and until both sides are sincerely content with sharing the top place in the world - no such solution can be had.

If a developed China in the future has both a population and economy which is 3x larger than the USA, there's no way the USA can credibly claim to be China's equal.

But that would still be some decades away.
 

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China has agreed to reduce and remove tariffs on cars coming into China from the U.S. Currently the tariff is 40%.
Reminds me of when Trump claimed "victory" in trade negotiations with South Korea. He said he doubled US car export quotas to SK but in reality, SK consumers had never even purchased half (I think the max was 40%) of the quota! He was playing his dumber voters for fools basically telling them he spoke to the buffet manager and got the manager to let them eat "double all you can eat" but still in one sitting LOL. And some people actually cheered...

Trump is exactly the type of person to make this kind of tweet based on something like a passing comment from Xi such as, "Yeah, if the relationship is normal again, we can discuss reductions or even possibly elimination of tariffs on US made cars." Because if it was actually an agreement, they come with dates, and specific numbers. "Reduce and remove" sounds like he's just saying things he hopes will occur and happened to up his hopes mid-sentence LOL

And also, I think it was 25% (scheduled to be decreased to 10-15%) before Trump started these problems (and caused it to rise to 40% for the US) so if 40% were to be reduced to 25% (or 30%) as a bargaining chip, congratulations to him again, classic Trump "victory" LOL

As for my personal opinion, US and China cannot go tit-for-tat. For a win-win solution, China needs to concede at some degree so that both sides can accept and decrease this standoff to a lower stage (I'm afraid the trade war cannot be completely eliminated) so everyone can do business happily.
What's a win-win among 2 countries playing a zero sum game for world leadership? Even without that concept, if you concede, can you call it a win-win? That's most people's definition of a win-lose, for you.
 

Air Force Brat

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Actually said:
Thankfully the Mao/Stalin/Hitler fan club here on SDF is small, "always there are two, and only two, a Master, and his Apprentice"........



sad that there are any fans of those murderous thugs??
 

Shaolian

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I think China is looking at everything from a long (like 30 years long) term perspective. What they are looking at is the continued development on all spheres (socially, economically, technologically, military). As long as this bottom line is being taken care / nurtured, they wouldn't mind playing "tai-chi" with any adversary. For the Chinese, taking 2 steps forward and then a half-step backwards, then 2 steps forward again is still very good.

I also think that the Chinese leadership is already getting the hang of Trump. No matter how "unpredictable" at the surface Trump is, he is still hampered by the way "democracy" is run in America, that is winning elections. The CCP should have already game out the scenarios, and frankly, the way I see it, it is the US that is losing party since the trade war began.

All the foundations, education, infrastructure, finance, economy, are nicely in place. The vast majority of its people are rallying around the leadership, and a can-do vibe is pulsing through the nation. Mind you, this isn't only about the Chinese in China, but the vast majority of the Chinese diaspora can already sense this, and are very proud of their ancestral homeland, and what they have and can achieve in the future.

In just a few more decades, Asia will once again truly regain it's independence and forge a new prosperous future. My brothers and sisters 加油 !
 

Anlsvrthng

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Privatization is the key word what breeds innovation and healthy economy in a long run. Who cares if the company is foreign as long they hire locals and pay their taxes? Both Donny and Xi are similar in a way that they believe consumer doesn't know the best and that markets are wrong.

Governments should stay away as much as possible (imposing eco regulations is their only job etc) from private businesses doings instead of trying to impose their will on markets & consumers.
Absolutly rubbish reasoning.

Governments making the rules regulating the market, so privatise without thriving competitive market is like give away the whole industry for free.

If there is existing regulation, good valuation and existing private companies then the in reality the job is only to sell the SOEs assets one by one, instead of to sell it with the market.
 

taxiya

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Privatization is the key word what breeds innovation and healthy economy in a long run. Who cares if the company is foreign as long they hire locals and pay their taxes? Both Donny and Xi are similar in a way that they believe consumer doesn't know the best and that markets are wrong.

Governments should stay away as much as possible (imposing eco regulations is their only job etc) from private businesses doings instead of trying to impose their will on markets & consumers.
It is competition, not privatization that drives innovation and healthy economy. A good example is the breaking up of AT&T, a private monopoly of US telecom market by the US government in the 1980s.
 

manqiangrexue

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sad that there are any fans of those murderous thugs??
Not as sad as someone voting for a dictator wannabe in 2018. The biggest difference is that there are checks and balances today to stop Trump from fulfilling his desire to become a "murderous thug." And when Mao killed people, he joined the army to do it against a technologically more advanced invading force; a certain other fellow slipped out of military service because of "bone spurs" which magically go away when he's playing sports. LOL

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Trump says troops on US border can use 'lethal force,' threatens to close border

"If they have to, they're going to use lethal force. I've given the OK," Trump said.
 
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Air Force Brat

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I don't know it looked as if PRC proclaimed yield not the US.We can wait and see.

As I have stated in the past, President Trump and President Xi would reach an agreement, it will come sooner rather than later...

As for ignorant people posting ignorant krap about "rotten soybeans", that's complete stupidity.... yes it was a little painful for American farmers through the harvest season, but the truth is the "soybean prices" "softened" and dropped a couple of bucks per bushel! The Chinese were definitely hurting without those beautiful, healthy American Soybeans, and they will be buying more in the very immediate future, that will drive the price of Soybeans up!

So all the lies and innuendo are just that, people talking out their butt, about things they know nothing about, soybeans are very adaptable, and the US is a huge innovator in biofuels, though it would be a terrible shame to waste the highest quality, highest protean beans on the planet to make fuel...

The truth is that American agricultural innovation has driven soybean production per acre through the roof, and American farmers feed the world, rampant hunger and starvation such as that which occurred in China in the late 50's and early 60's has been nearly driven off the planet....

and yes, we do have a small family farm, and we're proud of it....

Pork production is at an all time high as well, in response to very heavy Chinese demand for the "other white meat"!
 

Air Force Brat

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Not as sad as someone voting for a dictator wannabe in 2018. The biggest difference is that there are checks and balances today to stop Trump from fulfilling his desire to become a "murderous thug." And when Mao killed people, he joined the army to do it against a technologically more advanced invading force; a certain other fellow slipped out of military service because of "bone spurs" which magically go away when he's playing sports. LOL

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Trump says troops on US border can use 'lethal force,' threatens to close border

"If they have to, they're going to use lethal force. I've given the OK," Trump said.

President Trump is Pro-Life,, he's not a hateful murderous thug, as those you were defending,, and our troops will absolutely defend themselves and their fellow Americans,,, but unlike others in the world, they aren't murderous thugs either, employing non-lethal means to defend the border against an illegal and immoral invasion... thousands of people lied to and mislead to leave their own country by liars, placing innocent women and children at the front, endangering their health and well being to be used as "human pawns" by their lying leftist users...

No other Nation on the planet has done more for the enslaved and downtrodden, and that will not change. There's little doubt that President Trump has the love and respect of millions of Americans because he is doing exactly what he said he would do, and China is adjusting their trade practices to respond to Mr. Trump's honest concerns... and America in turn will adjust our trade practices as requested by President Xi, to benefit the Chinese people, and make sure they don't go hungry!

and that is the truth, we care about people, we honestly care about the world around us, and wish to trade in a free and fair manner!
 
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