Trade War with China

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xiabonan

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Trump has hit another sensitive Chinese nerve again yesterday (September 18).

"The Mukden Incident, or Manchurian Incident, was an event staged by Japanese military personnel as a pretext for the
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, known as
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. This incident is known is as the September 18 incident in China."

So basically, on the same day 87 years ago, Imperial Japan staged the act that marked the beginning of Japanese invasion of China.

Civil defense sirens would sound throughout China and almost all entertainment activities would stop to commemorate those died in the war.

Think China's 9/11, just on a much deeper and wider scale in terms of national pain and memory of sufferings.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Yup he definitely underestimate Xi resolve Of all the PRC leader he is the most conscious of history and its significant aside from Mao
ON the first day in his job he took the whole cabinet to the National museum to declare Chinese dream
How in the hell Trump can brow beat this kind of man who is so steep in Chinese history and the century of humiliation He would rather eat grass than surrender
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China’s Trade-War Tack Is Steeped in History
Beijing’s nationalist mood means this isn’t just another economic fight.

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September 18, 2018, 1:02 AM CDT
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The Monument to the People’s Heroes, built in Tiananmen Square after the founding of the People’s Republic, is Beijing’s equivalent to the Washington Monument. Photographer: Mark Ralston/AFP/Getty Images

After weeks of will-he, won’t-he, the U.S. government’s latest announcement on tariffs on $200 billion-worth of Chinese goods
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, just as the nation was preparing a nationalistic commemoration of resistance to foreign humiliation.

Sept. 18, 1931 marks the Mukden Incident, when dissident Japanese soldiers staged a fake attack on a railway line near the modern Chinese city of Shenyang as a pretext to their country’s invasion of Manchuria.

China’s increasingly jingoistic turn under President Xi Jinping has turned this anniversary into a sizable event, marked with memorial ceremonies,
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in some cities, and this year
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in Washington. Since 2014, Beijing has introduced three public holidays to commemorate aspects of the war with Japan, two of them taking place this month.

To dismiss all this as the stuff of school textbooks would be to underestimate the way the Communist Party has long sought to turn China’s history to propagandistic ends. U.S. negotiators trying to work out whether Beijing will agree to make wide-ranging changes to its economic model in response to threats from Washington should consider that, to decision-makers in Zhongnanhai, they’re engaged in more than just an everyday economic fight.

You can trace the story through Xi’s speeches, like the one he gave to mark the 20th anniversary of Hong Kong’s
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, or to celebrate 70 years since the
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in 2015.

It begins in the early 19th century, when the European vogue for Chinese tea and manufactured goods left the Qing Empire with a
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. The British East India Company sought to redress this balance by paying for Chinese goods with the opium it grew in India. That stopped the drain on its silver reserves but fueled a growing addiction crisis in China.

The trade eventually prompted China’s equivalent of the Boston Tea Party, when Qing officials seized about 1,300 metric tons of opium in 1839 and destroyed it on an island at Humen in the mouth of the Pearl River. Unlike its American precursor, though, the Humen incident was a disaster, sparking the First Opium War and, ultimately, the hand-off of Hong Kong to the British.

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The 1,300 tons of opium destroyed in the 1839 Humen incident were equivalent to about six months'-worth of imports into China

While many Chinese citizens may be more conscious of the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, and the post-Tiananmen crackdown, the country’s leaders still remember the Opium Wars, and the further conflicts that characterized the long decline of the Qing Empire. Official rhetoric describes the whole period as a century-long “national humiliation” that only the Communist Party was able to reverse.

The Monument to the People’s Heroes, built in Tiananmen Square after the founding of the People’s Republic, is Beijing’s equivalent of Nelson’s Column or the Washington Monument. There, the Humen incident
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; the war against Japan forms the second-last.

Now fast forward to the present. Once again, China has a significant trade surplus. Once again, the world’s preeminent trading nation is complaining about it. Once again, Chinese leaders suspect that the appeal to free trade is an excuse to seek
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To date, Beijing has shown little interest in coming to the table. The weakness in Chinese stocks in recent months is, in many ways, a symptom of the country’s continued focus on deleveraging and refusal to take a more stimulative path in response to the threats from Washington.



It’s possible that China’s relatively muted response to Trump’s trade rhetoric is the result of rumored leadership tensions in Beijing staying Xi’s hand from the more aggressive path seen in recent years. At the same time, it’s hard to see how current officials would be able to hold on to their own prestige were China to agree to another unequal treaty with the West — let alone at a time when analysts estimate the economy will tick up, regardless of the turmoil in stock markets.Those hoping for a victory by Christmas to avert the proposed increase in the latest tariff rate to 25 percent from the current 10 percent should watch out. This isn’t just another economic fight for Xi, or the Communist Party. To them, this is history repeating itself. And this time, they’re determined to be the victors.
 
now noticed what's probably related to Jun 7, 2018
Today at 3:37 PM
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The US &
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have reached an agreement. ZTE will pay a fine in exchange for being able to buy parts from U.S. suppliers again.

[links
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Trump's most trusted national security adviser? Himself.
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"Earlier this summer, National Security Council experts were working to implement harsh penalties against
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when President Donald Trump caught them off-guard with a tweet about making deals with the foreign company.
Sources present in the Old Executive Office Building that day told CNN that after receiving a call from Chinese President Xi Jinping, Trump blindsided NSC officials by declaring he wanted to get ZTE "back into business," obliterating weeks of work by his staff who, until that moment, had been implementing the President's original agenda."

etc.
 
now I read
Premier Li Keqiang: China won't weaken the yuan to boost exports
2018-09-19 13:21 GMT+8
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China will not engage in competitive currency devaluation and will not weaken the yuan to boost exports, Chinese Premier Li Keqiang said on Wednesday.

Speaking at the World Economic Forum in north China's Tianjin Municipality, Premier Li said, "China will not devalue the currency to stimulate exports and will adhere to the market-oriented foreign exchange rate reform."

"Recent fluctuations in the renminbi exchange rate have been seen as an intentional measure, but that isn't true," Li said. "One-way devaluation will do more harm than good to China's economy. China will by no means stimulate exports by devaluing the yuan."

After the comments, the onshore yuan rallied as much as 0.17 percent, before paring gains to buy 6.8533 per dollar as of 12:05 p.m BJT.

Li also said that China will widen market access for foreign companies and ensure fair competition.

"China's process of opening-up will only quicken."

Reducing taxes and fees will be the focus of China's more pro-active fiscal policy and easing funding difficulties for firms will also be key while keeping monetary policy prudent and liquidity reasonably ample, according to Premier Li.

He also expressed that China must resolutely protect intellectual property and will crack down on violations of domestic and foreign IP.

With the theme of "Shaping Innovative Societies in the Fourth Industrial Revolution," the largest-ever annual meeting in the history of Summer Davos Forum is attended by more than 2,000 government, business, academic and media representatives from almost 90 countries.

During the forum, Premier Li Keqiang will hold talks with leaders from Estonia, Latvia, Serbia, Samoa and other countries, and exchange ideas with representatives from the business, finance, think tanks and media circles.
 

xiabonan

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It seems that some business are already leaving china to other places

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This is actually not bad news.

Those that are leaving now would leave even without the trade war, the trade war is only accelerating this process. As Chinese industry moves up the value chain and its factories run out of workers due to an aging population, combined with higher wages and living standards, it is inevitable that some low-cost low-skill manufacturing such as Walmart cheap furniture factories as mentioned in the article will leave China for countries like Malaysia, India, or Vietnam, with or without Trump's tariffs.

This forces Chinese government, from the central government in Beijing to local governments all over the country, to think about industrial upgrade seriously and draft up or modify existing plans to help industries move up the value chain.

Also, China very much wants and needs a prosperous Southeast-Asia. Chinese trade with SEA has been growing at double digit speed for years now ever since the China-ASEAN FTA was signed in 2010. Should Vietnam and other SEA countries grow faster they could buy more Chinese products and provide cheaper products to Chinese consumers as well. Free trade benefits both parties.

If there is one takeaway from this ongoing trade war with the US, that would probably be it: diversify your trade and don't put them all in one basket. China is desperately looking for new markets to sell its exports and SEA is one of the most promising regions, apart from places like India and Africa.
 

tidalwave

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If China can become a Semiconductor power house, with 80% self sufficiency then hollowing out of its industry by US will not matter. But if China does not so that , then, ouch, it would become painful. US knows low end jobs will not come to US, rather they would go to South East Asia, India, and hollowing out industries in China is one of their sinister agenda.
 

Equation

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If China can become a Semiconductor power house, with 80% self sufficiency then hollowing out of its industry by US will not matter. But if China does not so that , then, ouch, it would become painful. US knows low end jobs will not come to US, rather they would go to South East Asia, India, and hollowing out industries in China is one of their sinister agenda.

That's why the US and EU are deathly afraid of China 2025 agenda.
 

gelgoog

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There are three photo-lithography machine tool manufacturers in the world. None of them are in China. China is presently forced to use machine tools two generations behind the leading edge tools. This means China will never be competitive at the highest end of the semiconductor market. Unless they develop their own machine tools sector which they have shown so far no interest in doing. So China will only be able to manufacture low cost older generation chips with little economic significance.

They can design their own chips and manufacture them in the West like Huawei is currently doing for example. But this means they will be vulnerable to trade sanctions.
 

gelgoog

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Until China realizes, like Germany and Japan did in the XIXth century, that they cannot continue being industry leaders in the long run without a robust machine tools industry of their own they will always be vulnerable. All it takes is several years of machine tool import sanctions and their industry will fall far behind the West. The same thing happened to the Soviet Union after WW2. The Soviets typically fell behind in industry to the West because of this. It also had military implications. For example their electronics industry was always behind so they could neither compete in terms of modern radars or control systems without being quite creative with the technology they had. At one point, for example, the USA even forced Japan to stop selling advanced 9 axis CNC milling machines to the Soviet Union, because they used them to manufacture less noisy propellers for the Alfa attack submarines.

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