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Gollevainen

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iw as just wodnering, how could u compare european countries together. IN war, arent they European Unions? Wouldnt that make them much stronger than many other "individual" country

Becouse those are just fine talks, in reality, only the old NATO countries can propaply be counted to work as single army, but there are many Non-NATO and even NATO countries that have not that well intergrated with anything. Political will is different but in reality, the common european defences are just goals and dreams to be reached.
 

Semi-Lobster

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Hmmm in terms of power projection, numbers, quality, intelligence gathering abilities, logistics, esprit de corps etc., although they are stretched already and recruitment is dropping I would, like many others, put the US on top, with the best or some of the best equipment in all branches with regular soldiers received very good training. The weakness I see is if in the case of an offensive operation, the sustainability of any US force for long periods of time. At defence, the US is a proverbial fortress from a conventional point of view. Also the quality of the National Guard in terms of training is somewhat troublesome as is the current general morale at home and abroad. The US still has the best air force, best navy (by far) and the best regular, professional army.

Number two is China, while things seem to be getting worse and worse wit Russia sometimes, China seems to be constantly improving. The quality of it's training is increasing, and all branches of the military are benefiting from a massive increase in spending. China still has a growing population that's already extremely large and has one of the most experienced and largest industries in the world which can be seen in the rapid employment of the QBZ-95 as the latest frontline assault rifle. The only problem is China, while having some interesting naval assets, has no real ability to protect any large, requisitioned merchant marine and regular navy force. China's navy right now is focusing on smaller warships that are suited to patrolling and defending China's water and protecting her interests. The Air force is also simply not good enough for a country like China, it doesn't matter how many MiG 21's you have, they're still Mig-21's and are really only effective against other MiG-21's or other 3rd and light 4th generation fighter aircraft. Hopefully the J-13 or J-xx can provide China with something more capable. China's army is shrinking, and that is actually a good thing, a smaller, leaner and more professional army that is focused on fighting high-tech, localised conflicts, can be just as effective as a large, under-equipped army. It's not as if China's military still isn't big, it's massive. In terms of hardware, China is a mixed bag, China's traditional strength, small arms, has been given a massive shot in the arm and the current Chinese small arms arsenal is completely different from the days of the Sino-Vietnamese War. Heavy industry, needs to step up to the plate, the obsolete Type 59 which would be more of liability than an asset, still out numbers all other Chinese tanks combined. China ranks 'pretty good and improving' in all branches.

Number three would be Russia, which is no longer a superpower but still a key player and regional power (which of course, is multiple regions given the size of Russia). Russia has a problem with a plummeting population, they simply cannot sustain a WWII style Eastern front campaign today. The key to Russia is the experience of their forces and the sheer size of Russia means power projection is not terribly difficult because they're more or less close to everyone else already and Russia's mature military and industry means that it can continue to be one of the most influential exporters of military hardware in the world. The current problem with the Russian military is the ridiculous disparity in the quality of her regular conscript army and her specialised soldiers such a her airborne and the disparity of equipment between conscripts and special forces is astounding sometimes. Although Russia's military fortunes are taking a turn under Putin, Chechnya is a constant reminder of Russia's military weakness. Russia can at least boast that it has a pretty modern airforce that is more than capable of holding it's own and the Russian navy, although rusty and under funded has new life with the two naval bases they are re-establishing in Syria and is still pretty large considering most of Russia’s territorial waters are frozen for most of the year.

My number four would be India surprisingly enough. India has an extremely well equipped navy, with 38 more ships currently on the way in various shipyards around the world and in India and is more or less, the sole power in the entire Indian Ocean save for the many US naval bases in Middle East. India's air force is on the very verge of big, massive upgrade with 126 new 4.5 generation fighters from... god knows where, but certainly somewhere and they should be delivered by 2012ish, or in the case of the MiG-35, even sooner. In addition, the LCA project is finally complete the HAL should have a sizeable amount of Tejas light fighters in the air by 2010. India's army on the other hand seems to still be stuck in the 80's and is only now modernising, finally replacing the tried and true Sterling with the not so tried and true mini Tavor TAR-21 (which they call the 'Zittara'). The Indian army needs to seriously re-evaluate it's current Cold War era doctrines, it would certainly pay off. India during the Kargil War of 1999 showed that it's current strength lies with it's special (usually ethnic, Sikhs, Gurkhas etc.) forces. India is quite flexible in that pretty much every environment on Earth can be found in India; forests, jungles, plains, mountains, deserts, islands etc. The gap between Russia and India is far too great currently though. India is over reliant on foreign defence companies and keeping track of so many different weapons and arms systems from all over the world is very difficult. India's military industry is also, still far too young and needs a decade more before it’s finally reached China's level and who knows how much longer to reach Russia's level of technological sophistication (although in terms of electronics, such as those found in the Tejas and LCH project, they're quite advanced)

Fifth is the UK, you would be hard pressed to find anything negative to say about the military of the UK, it's well funded, experienced, well equipped and well researched. It's certainly the best army in Europe (much to the chagrin of the UK's eternal (friendly) rival, France). The UK has shown, even when caught completely by surprised, they still have excellent power projection capabilities. All in all they're a very well rounded military but a common problem with all European nations... it's just not as big as the four already mentioned, in total 14 million for active duty is impressive but in terms of active troop strength, they're 22. I can't think of any scenario where the UK could take on any of the previously mentioned countries and win unless they are perpetually on the defensive. The UK spends a lot on their armed forces and it shows I considered putting it in fourth honestly and I just might later on depending how many more delays India's two carriers are going to go through compared to the UK's upcoming carriers which are right on schedule.

Next would be France. I would even go as far to say that France's military technology is even better than the UK, the nEUROn, the Rafale, the Charles de Gaulle, the LeClerke, the FAMAS, the list goes on. France has produced a lot of excellent hardware. But France's still isn't as professional as the UK. Their navy though is slightly bigger than the UK's. They're no slouches though and they have a plethora of combat experience (although not as much as the UK). France is only a smidge behind the UK in my opinion

After the sixth place France I would put Germany, Italy, Ukraine and Saudi Arabia in that order. Germany and Italy are self-explanatory. Ukraine is in a unique position is that it inherited a ton of Soviet technology and expertise, and is making active use of it. You would be hard pressed nowadays to find an upgrade project or a development project that doesn't have the Ukraine involved somehow. Saudi Arabia is on the list because frankly, I cannot see how you can spend such an obscene amount of money and NOT get results eventually, the Saudi Army is the most powerful local military force in the Middle East but is far, far too dependant on foreign aide, the only thing from not giving Iran 10th place is that it is a political pariah that has some good missile technology. Iran is currently going through an odd phase where it is gaining design expertise by taking decades old designs and slightly retooling them. It may not seem useful but it's giving them the experience they need. Japan has a good military, dare I say, an excellent military with a powerful navy, but with its population and constitution, Japan will languish perpetually out of the top ten unless it becomes establishes a more dedicated defence industry. Japan is capable of producing good equipment, all of Japan's AFV's as of late are very good, it's a shame thought they most likely will never see any action. Pakistan is pretty much a joke in my opinion. Taking a Chinese design and calling it your own doesn't mean you're design genius'. South Korea has a lot of flashy things going on for it, lots of money is directed at defence right now and they're certainly a rising star, if they keep their current pace up, they might make the top ten. Notice how I didn't put Israel? Israel in my eyes, lost a lot of respect with their 'loss' in Southern Lebanon, I find it hard to believe sometimes this is the same army that won the Six Day War.
 

SU-30

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Hear are my top ten military nations:

1.U.S.
2.Russia
3.China
4.India
5.U.K.
6.France
7.Germany
8.Japan
9.South Korea
10.Iran

Those countries are in my opinion the top ten military nations in the world.:coffee:
 

Dizasta78

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Top ten militaries in the world:

1. United States: Has a Sizable Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps. Its services are at the top using advance Technology military hardware to support its power projection. With a big air-Mobility force of C-5 Galaxy, C-17A Globemaster, C-130 Hecules & KC-135 Stratotankers (air-to-air refuelers), it can take the fight to the enemy's doorstep. And it has Nukes, plus 12 Aircraft Carriers.

2. Russia: Size isn't an issue for them. A large Army, Navy & Air Force. But it lags in cutting edge Technology to equip its large forces. Mobility, again, isn't an issue for Russia as it has a good force of An-124 Condor, IL-76 Midas & Mi-26 Halo to forward deploy in a battlefield. Nuked up, but has just the 1 Aircraft Carrier.

3. China: For this big gun, Size is not a problem. A large Army, Air Force, Navy & Strategic Force, China can hold its own anytime. Technology is one aspect which China is rapidly conquering to equip its forces with the best available to tools to out-fight its enemy. Another aspect its steadily recognizing as a crucial to its military projection is Mobility. A good force of IL-76 Candid, Mi-17 Hip & Y-8 Transport a/c, has China moving forward in the mobility dept. Nuclear Missile armed China is a formidable adversary. Only drawback, no Aircraft Carriers ...... yet!!!

4. France: Size is somewhat satisfactory, in the sense that it is large enough to take on defending itself. Technology isn't an issue for this country as it proven with its ability to build quality fighters like Mirage-2000, Rafale and Super Etendard. Mobility again, is not an issue for france with its developments in the joint project A-400M Loadmaster, plus it has a good force line-up of C-160 Transaal, C-295s, Cn-235s, Airtankers and SA 330 Puma. France is a Nuclear Power and has 2 Aircraft Carriers (one is still under construction and will be commissioned in 2015).

5. Britain: Again, with the case of Britain, Size is good enough for defending itself, now. Recent defence cuts, brought the once super power, down to size. Its not large enough to take on an enemy (big or small) outside its terrotorial boundries like the United States in Vietnam. Technology is in abundance (both coming from America, Europe and at home). Its forces are adequately equipped to meet any sort of enemy, head-on. Mobility is also not an issue, considering that Britain has quite a sizable C-130 force, plus VC-10 tankers, Merlins, AS-330 Pumas and CH-47 Chinooks. Britain's small, but effective Nuclear force, plus a formidable fleet of 4 Aircraft Carriers (including its helocopter carrier) makes it a fighting adversary.

6. Italy: A small in Size, but very effective Italian Military is up for grabs on the 6th spot. Technology wise, this country holds in its Air Force fleet some of the most capable western fighters in the world. With the likes of F-16 Fighting Falcons, Typhoons, Tornados, AV-8B Harriers & AMXs showcasing its line-up. Italy has the ability to give its opponent a bloody nose. Mobility for Italy's size, is good enough to hold its own. Though not a Nuclear Power, Italians do have 1 Aircraft Carrier as well as one on order.

7. india: Size for this country was never an issue. However, Mobility is, as its 1.1 million troop army needs alot of Air-Mobility muscle to move it around. Recently a deal was signed for around 80 Mi-17 Hip helicopters. Its not enough for such a large army, but its a start. Technology is flowing in fast and thick, as both east and west line-up to showcase their high-tech weaponry for india to buy. It has a Nuclear Missile capability, but unfortunately doesn't have ICBMs to match its power projection ambitions. Currently their navy has 1 Aircraft Carrier, one it plans to build itself and another on order from Russia.

8. Germany: This country's military force is capable in Size to hold its own. Technology is a field where it is formidable. A country which produces the likes of Leapord Main Battle Tanks, U-214 Submarines and is a partner in the Eurofighter program (second only to the F-22 Raptor). Germany is certainly not an opponent to over look. Mobility is also satisfactory, with a good size force of air-mobility aircrafts. Plus it being a part of NATO, adds to its capability in defending itself. Germany is not Nuclear Power and does not have any Aircraft Carriers.

9. South Korea & Japan: Both are formidable opponents. Size is relevant to defending themselves, not projecting force outside their territory. Mobility, with a heavy industrial base, both countries are fielding the best possible air-monility capability, they can. Both have a good size force of C-130s. Japan also has its own indigenous airlifter, C-1. Technology is a walk in the park for these guys, with South Korea fielding the T-50 Golden Eagle Trainer/Fighter (in colaboration with US Lockheed Martin) and Japan fielding its F-2 (based on the F-16 Fighting Falcon) fighter. Though both countries do not have Aircraft Carriers, they do have tough navies that can knock any opponent off balance. Both countries do not have any nuclear capability either.

10. Pakistan: From out no where, this force appears to becoming a good Size opponent. However, its size isn't for projecting force outside its borders. Lagging in Mobility, Pakistan is slowly gathering momentum by equipping its forces with an air-mobility fleet. With the likes of C-130 Hercules, Mi-17 Hips, AS-330 Pumas, future procurement of tankers, Al-Khalid, APC-Talha, APC-Saad, Pakistan is realizing the need to equip its military with mobile capability both on land and in the air. Technology wise it is also building a formidable Air Force, with the likes of J-10 Vanguard, JF-17 Thunder (which it will build in country), F-16 Fighting Falcon, Saab Ericsson Erieyes, Y-8 AEWs and P-3 Orion/Hawkeye-2000 AWACS. Pakistan is a Nuclear Power, however it is not fielding any and does not have any Aircraft Carriers.
 
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SU-30

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Top ten militaries in the world:

1. United States: Has a Sizable Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps. Its services are at the top using advance Technology military hardware to support its power projection. With a big air-Mobility force of C-5 Galaxy, C-17A Globemaster, C-130 Hecules & KC-135 Stratotankers (air-to-air refuelers), it can take the fight to the enemy's doorstep. And it has Nukes, plus 12 Aircraft Carriers.

2. Russia: Size isn't an issue for them. A large Army, Navy & Air Force. But it lags in cutting edge Technology to equip its large forces. Mobility, again, isn't an issue for Russia as it has a good force of An-124 Condor, IL-76 Midas & Mi-26 Halo to forward deploy in a battlefield. Nuked up, but has just the 1 Aircraft Carrier.

3. China: For this big gun, Size is not a problem. A large Army, Air Force, Navy & Strategic Force, China can hold its own anytime. Technology is one aspect which China is rapidly conquering to equip its forces with the best available to tools to out-fight its enemy. Another aspect its steadily recognizing as a crucial to its military projection is Mobility. A good force of IL-76 Candid, Mi-17 Hip & Y-8 Transport a/c, has China moving forward in the mobility dept. Nuclear Missile armed China is a formidable adversary. Only drawback, no Aircraft Carriers ...... yet!!!

4. France: Size is somewhat satisfactory, in the sense that it is large enough to take on defending itself. Technology isn't an issue for this country as it proven with its ability to build quality fighters like Mirage-2000, Rafale and Super Etendard. Mobility again, is not an issue for france with its developments in the joint project A-400M Loadmaster, plus it has a good force line-up of C-160 Transaal, C-295s, Cn-235s, Airtankers and SA 330 Puma. France is a Nuclear Power and has 2 Aircraft Carriers (one is still under construction and will be commissioned in 2015).

5. Britain: Again, with the case of Britain, Size is good enough for defending itself, now. Recent defense cuts, brought the once super power, down to size. Its not large enough to take on an enemy (big or small) outside its terrotorial boundries like the United States in Vietnam. Technology is in abundance (both coming from America, Europe and at home). Its forces are adequately equipped to meet any sort of enemy, head-on. Mobility is also not an issue, considering that Britain has quite a sizable C-130 force, plus VC-10 tankers, Merlins, AS-330 Pumas and CH-47 Chinooks. Britain's small, but effective Nuclear force, plus a formidable fleet of 4 Aircraft Carriers (including its helocopter carrier) makes it a fighting adversary.

6. Italy: A small in Size, but very effective Italian Military is up for grabs on the 6th spot. Technology wise, this country holds in its Air Force fleet some of the most capable western fighters in the world. With the likes of F-16 Fighting Falcons, Typhoons, Tornados, AV-8B Harriers & AMXs showcasing its line-up. Italy has the ability to give its opponent a bloody nose. Mobility for Italy's size, is good enough to hold its own. Though not a Nuclear Power, Italians do have 1 Aircraft Carrier as well as one on order.

7. india: Size for this country was never an issue. However, Mobility is, as its 1.1 million troop army needs alot of Air-Mobility muscle to move it around. Recently a deal was signed for around 80 Mi-17 Hip helicopters. Its not enough for such a large army, but its a start. Technology is flowing in fast and thick, as both east and west line-up to showcase their high-tech weaponry for india to buy. It has a Nuclear Missile capability, but unfortunately doesn't have ICBMs to match its power projection ambitions. Currently their navy has 1 Aircraft Carrier, one it plans to build itself and another on order from Russia.

8. Germany: This country's military force is capable in Size to hold its own. Technology is a field where it is formidable. A country which produces the likes of Leapord Main Battle Tanks, U-214 Submarines and is a partner in the Eurofighter program (second only to the F-22 Raptor). Germany is certainly not an opponent to over look. Mobility is also satisfactory, with a good size force of air-mobility aircrafts. Plus it being a part of NATO, adds to its capability in defending itself. Germany is not Nuclear Power and does not have any Aircraft Carriers.

9. South Korea & Japan: Both are formidable opponents. Size is relevant to defending themselves, not projecting force outside their territory. Mobility, with a heavy industrial base, both countries are fielding the best possible air-monility capability, they can. Both have a good size force of C-130s. Japan also has its own indigenous airlifter, C-1. Technology is a walk in the park for these guys, with South Korea fielding the T-50 Golden Eagle Trainer/Fighter (in colaboration with US Lockheed Martin) and Japan fielding its F-2 (based on the F-16 Fighting Falcon) fighter. Though both countries do not have Aircraft Carriers, they do have tough navies that can knock any opponent off balance. Both countries do not have any nuclear capability either.

10. Pakistan: From out no where, this force appears to becoming a good Size opponent. However, its size isn't for projecting force outside its borders. Lagging in Mobility, Pakistan is slowly gathering momentum by equipping its forces with an air-mobility fleet. With the likes of C-130 Hercules, Mi-17 Hips, AS-330 Pumas, future procurement of tankers, APC-Talha, APC-Saad, Pakistan is realizing the need to equip its military with mobile capability both on land and in the air. It is also building a formidable Air Force, with the likes of J-10 Vanguard, JF-17 Thunder (which it will build in country), F-16 Fighting Falcon, Saab Ericsson Erieyes, Y-8 AEWs and P-3 Orion/Hawkeye-2000 AWACS. Pakistan is a Nuclear Power, however it is not fielding any and does not have any Aircraft Carriers.

Thats a really good list of the top ten military nations, but I would swich Italy and Pakistan places, but thats just my personal opinion.
 

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Russia and WWII

in 1943 when the western allies opened the second front, the war was allready lost for germany. at the same time germany lost the battle for kursk, the last big but desperate offensive in the east. Yes, the west did support the soviets with equipment. But their own production was so big, it would not have made any difference. As an austrian(then part of the third reich,and it's a shame for me that most austrians welcomed the "anschluss") I'm proud of the american, canadian and british soldiers who helped to defeat hitler. But here, and we are really working hard to understand our history, we know that russia had the main burden. I would say about 80 %. In human lives the us for example "just" lost about 400.000 people. compare that with 26 million soviets. 80 % percent of german resources were located in the east - and an invasion with this resources located in western europe would have been a desaster.

I believe it's too easy to just compare some statistics about a military. There are a lot of factors that decide about winning or loosing a war. For example russia could easily take 20 million barrels a day of oil production from the market, in the way of shutting down their own exports and hitting nearby pipelines and terminals in poorly defended countries. and manpower alone doesn't make a victory, what about the logistics for 300 million man ? In eastern russia for example there are only a couple of railways and very few streets which are easily destroyed - and then you have to cope with the famous russian mud - good luck - hitler could tell you something about that, and that was in the european part of russia, not in siberia.

I don't believe that major powers like china, russia and the us(which in my opinion will be the major powers in the future) will ever try a war against each other. those economies are dependent on each other, and there is allways the risk of the use of nukes. for example, russia could use nukes on their own soil against chinese forces, there are huge areas where no people live. China doesn't need to invade eastern russia, they can simply buy the oil. a pipeline to china is allready in the works.

I would say it's very difficult to make such a ranking because there are many other factors to consider. Number one might be the us, but what about the economy ? How powerful are the chinese if they can't export anything anymore, and are blocked from vital imports ? Lack of oil was one of the main problems germany faced in WWII. Who feeds 1.3 billion chinese if water systems of the agriculture are attacked (lack of water is a big problem in china)? Perhaps russia has a few advantages in this area...but it would need another hitler to find out who's really the number one or two or three in this ranking. In my opinion russia, china, and the us will the greatest powers, the us because on paper they are clearly number one without other aspects, the chinese because of growing military might and sheer human manpower, and the russians, because of a reviving military and giant strategic resources.

But let's hope that nobody will ever find out who's the number one.....

p.S.: I really believe that we can find common grounds with china, and that the rise of china will be peaceful. If not they would only destroy anything they gained in the last decades, because in a major confrontation everybody could just loose.
 

whufee

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1.USA
2.Russia
3.PRC
4.UK, France or Germany
5.India
6.Japan
7.Isael
8.Pakistan

it's no way that finland or other 'small' nations can be ranked in top10, thats just dreaming....
 

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You, know, by now I'm kinda gettin' a little used to this...:nono::D::coffee: Can't wait till the Mods take care of this one...:roll:
 

bd popeye

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Re: Agressor, Agressors

You, know, by now I'm kinda gettin' a little used to this...:nono::D::coffee: Can't wait till the Mods take care of this one...:roll:

He's gone...That moron has been banned with several other accounts..check the banned thread...

We will keep an eye out for him...:nono::nutkick::nono:..:D
 
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